FACT: Israel is not engaging in ethnic cleansing, Israel is engaging in terrorist cleansing.
Prove me wrong.
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He does - no need to prove me wrong.
Probably a good idea to take him off your Christmas card list.
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America 3 presidential candidates are
Joe Biden who is a hardcore zionist and funded by AIPAC
Most of his cabinet is Jewish and his secretary of state told Netanyahu he's a jew before an American
Trump is a hardcore zionist with the majority of his money coming from zionist
He wants to make protesting Israel illegal
RFK Is a hardcore zionists and flew twice on Jeffery Epstein's plane
Epstein ran a blackmail operation for Isreal
Whoever you vote for Israel wins
1. Trump, I assume your quip about his money is because of jews in nyc real estate? Kind of a stretch.
2. I can bullshit (making protesting illegal)
3. Trump is not a "zionist", whatever you mean by that.
Oh man, if only Ron Desantis had won the Republican nomination. It's not like he's the kind of guy who would fly to Israel to sign a bill making it illegal to criticize that country in his state.
And hey, that plucky Nimrata Haley is one of those stronk empowered girl bosses, she wouldn't tell the world that "Isreal doesn't need America, America needs Israel! We need to give Israel whatever she needs, whenever she needs it, no questions asked."
Yep, if you want a President who refuses to put the interests of a troublesome foreign state above those of our own country, you're spoiled for choices.
Very spoiled!
shareAgreed. The only exception is Cornell West, but realistically Trump and Biden, both hard-core Zionists, are the only real presidential choices.
I'll add that there are plenty of Christian Zionists who believe in the End Times prophecy.
Trump is not a Zionist. Don't conflate "formalities" with breaking any laws for "them."
Oh, btw, all US dollar$ is Zionist money; yes, including yours.
Yep and as usual, the dumbass liberals side with the terrorists who would happily kill them all.
shareThey see the terrorists as "underdogs", and rooting for "underdogs" is the fastest way to assuage personal guilt.
share"Yep and as usual, the dumbass liberals side with the terrorists who would happily kill them all."
Yes. If one of them could explain it rationally I'd be shocked.
There are many far-right users on here who are openly anti-Israel (and anti-semitic in general) and accuse them of committing genocide.
DMZ the most notable.
accuse them of committing genocide.
It’s not an accusation, it’s a Fact.
Oh, and "Anti-Semitic" doesn’t apply to non-Semites. share
>Oh, and "Anti-Semitic" doesn’t apply to non-Semites.
"Antisemitism is hostility to, prejudice towards, or discrimination against Jews"
Yes it does. It's anyone who holds prejudice against Jews as a people.
Jews are not Semites.
"They" created your cited definition.
Lets put it this way. It's anti-jewish. I don't care what term anyone uses. Many far-right people on here hold prejudice against jews. Pretty sure you, amongst many other things as well, are an anti-jewish racist.
shareBut they're Not Jews. Nor Semites, Nor Hebrews, Nor Israelites, Nor Judeans.
shareWhat the fuck are they then?
They're a grouping of people that specifically identify as Jews either culturally, racially or religious (or a combination of all three), whatever you call them doesn't really matter. You hold hateful ideas about them and promote conspiracy theories about controlling the world.
Because you are a scumbag fascist piece of shit.
You defend and support impostors, fakes, pretenders, deceivers and liars.
All the qualities that you obviously share with them.
>You defend and support impostors, fakes, pretenders, deceivers and liars.
Who are these "impostors, fakes, pretenders, deceivers and liars" and how am I defending them? Are you referring to Jews? Are you calling all people who are Jewish "impostors, fakes, pretenders, deceivers and liars"?
And this isn't answering my question: What the fuck are they then?
First, 34 thousand dead Gazan Palestinians were not Hamas. How has the random bombing targeted Hamas?
Second, Hamas headquarters is in Qatar.
Third, you now have a million terrorized Gaza children whose homes were destroyed and families killed. Who are their heroes now?
Nothing longterm has been accomplished except ongoing war for decades.
Done; sometimes two things can be true at the same time.
Exhibit-A:
Israel is engaging in terrorist cleansing while engaging in ethnic cleansing.
There must be a lot of child terrorists, then.
share20% of gaza's civilian population have been killed in the war. that looks a lot like ethnic cleansing to me.
shareThen you are proving the truth of the old saying "there are lies, there are damn lies, and then there are statistics." It also proves you're a shallow, superficial thinker who is uncritically regurgitating the talking points of a left-captured mainstream media.
Military operations in urban territory are always going to produce civilian casualties. Those in Gaza are no worse, per capita, than those in Mosul, Fallujah, Aleppo, Grozny, and other recent examples, and are better than most. And there wasn't a tenth as much bitching and moaning about any of those examples as we are hearing nonstop about Gaza. This is all the more remarkable when you remember that Israel is fighting an enemy that deliberately and determinedly hides behind civilians as part of its war strategy.
Israel is being held to a different, and higher standard than anyone else ever is.
So enough. They're not engaging in ethnic cleansing, and claims that they are are simply dishonest. I'm also tired of hearing that Israel's response is "disproportionate." Of course it is. It should be. You don't win wars and defeat enemies by being "proportionate." You win by crushing your enemy and destroying either his will or his ability to keep fighting you. You don't have to fight like barbarians to do that either, and Israel isn't.
Hamas certainly is though. The best answer I've heard to the accusation that Israel is "disproportionate" is that, well, Israel tried to be proportionate, but they couldn't find enough IDF soldiers willing to gang rape Palestinian women until their pelvises broke, cut off the heads of infants or set them on fire, or murder whole families and then call their parents to brag about it, so we have to settle for the Israelis being disproportionate.
you're trying to rationalize killing 20% of gaza's civilians. look at yourself please.
shareI'm not rationalizing anything. YOU'RE apologizing for terrorists, and terrorist sympathizers. Savage barbarians who have committed some of the most despicable crimes anyone has ever heard of. Take your own advice and look in the mirror. These are the people whose side you are taking? Stop drinking the leftist Kool Aid -- just because the Palestinians are the underdog, does not mean they are the good guys. And the Israelis aren't "settler colonialists" either.
If 20% of the population of the Gaza strip is dead, it is because they brought it on themselves. People keep chanting "ceasefire now!" Well sorry, Hamas already had a ceasefire. Hamas broke it on October 7th, 2023. Their actions that day are pure, unadulterated evil. Gang rape, murder, infanticide, kidnapping, all targeting civilians, not soldiers. And then they retreat back into the Gaza strip to use the population there as human shields. And the Gazans themselves have willingly allowed themselves to be so used. This is the same people who have children's programs extolling the virtues of growing up to be a "suicide warrior." These are people who have marinated their children in hatred for generations now. On on 10/07/23, they launched an unprovoked attack, deliberately targeting civilians, women, children. And polls show an overwhelming majority of the citizens of Gaza support this unspeakable savagery.
So fuck 'em. They're evil. As evil as the Nazis were, and anyone with a working moral compass can see it. They get what they get. No sympathy for them. Not. One. Jot.
When we defeated Nazism and Japanese militarism in the 1940s, it took bombing Axis cities off the map and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians to accomplish it. That was regrettable, but necessary, and the collateral damage was unavoidable. The Israelis are currently being orders of magnitude more surgical than we were capable of being back then, but there is still inevitable collateral damage, because war, as William T. Sherman observed, is cruelty, and you cannot refine it. Israel's cause is just, Hamas is evil, and your apologizing for them is despicable.
leftist Kool Aid
The Cabal is controlling both sides of the narrative. share
Okay, so dispute any of the facts I've cited. Dispute the percentage of Gazan supporters of Hamas. Dispute the atrocity, the barbarity, or the veracity of the war crimes committed by Hamas on 10/07. Dispute that Hamas is a terrorist organization, that has hidden munitions, supplies, fighters, etc. in civilian sites. Dispute that Hamas broke a pre-existing ceasefire to start this conflict, or that it has rejected offers of a two state solution if it will abandon demands for the eradication of Israel. Dispute that Hamas has the destruction of Israel built into its charter. Dispute it, if you can.
I won't hold my breath, because you can't.
There's no both sides-ism here. One side is Nazi-level evil, the other, while flawed and human, is merely flawed and human. Pity you can't seem to see it. Looks like you have succumbed to the argument to moderation fallacy -- i.e. the Golden Mean fallacy: the fallacy that the truth is always in the middle of two opposites. Most of the time, perhaps, it is. Not always. Not all claims are morally equal. Sometimes, there really is a clear-cut bad guy. This is one of those times.
That entire rant demonstrates that you drank the Kool Aid.
Hamas is a creation of Israel/Mossad (funded and supported). The 10/7 was another of their many false flags.
No doctor or physician is going to wait seven hours to respond to a critical emergency.
I’m not going to bother disseminating all your other brainwashing propaganda points since you may as well be one of “them” or a Shabbos goy.
whether mossad created hamas or not doesnt matter. a militant group would always have sprung from all the oppression and violent injustice done to palestinians. fact is, hamas is a belligerent militant organization today. they were basically created out the pits of hell that palestinians lived in for decades. so yes, today, destroy hamas, that doesn't mean israel gets to do whatever it wants to palestinians. the only way to have peace is to give palestinians a fair deal and also to occupy them and reeducate their population for 20 years until the next generation comes to power. this has already proven to be effective in japan and germany. merge palestinian and israeli land. divide the country equally in half with both countries getting half the coastline. build a wall between the two countries so jews can't come over and steal anymore land like they do now. 20 years later, the anger in palestinians will subside and there will be peace.
shareOf course it matters that they created Hamas.
The entire purpose of that conflict is based on it in order to justify everything including a land-grab for oil and other natural resources.
“The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” ― Lenin
no it doesn't matter because even if they didn't create hamas, a militant group like hamas would spring up anyway. meanwhile, the proof for their creation of hamas is scant and therefore falls into conspiracy theory territory. anyone who speaks about these as being facts will be instantly discredited. so why even bother with this theory when it doesnt matter at all?
sharea militant group like hamas would spring up anyway.
But they didn't, it was Hamas, their own creation that they used to allow themselves to be attacked.
Both the left and right admit that they were created, trained and funded by Israel/Mossad.
That's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact. share
they didnt because hamas did. wtf are you even arguing here. you dont even understand what you're talking about. the existence of hamas means all those young angry men get absorbed into it. also no it's not a fact. i don't even have to research any of this to know you can not provide a mainstream source.
shareSeveral others on this forum including myself have provided multiple sources.
If you choose to deny it, than that’s on you.
Facts are Facts regardless of what you believe or research.
10/07 was a false flag operation huh? And I'm one of "them."
Wow.
Okay, you are a tinfoil hat-wearing nutjob if you think this. I'm not wasting my time with lunatics. You're one for the ignore list.
"Military operations in urban territory are always going to produce civilian casualties."
sounds like rationalizing to me. by saying this, you can justify any action? even killing 20% of an entire country's civilian population?
Okay, so observing historical reality, that has applied in literally every war ever fought is "rationalizing." I am not aware of a single exception to this reality in all of recorded history, but that's "rationalizing."
Okay, yeah, whatever. You are not a serious, reasonable person. You have latched onto a statistic, like a dog with a bone that it won't let go, and everything else, every other fact, every other consideration of morality, of right and wrong, and malicious intent, etc. just rolls off you like water off a duck's back, as you say "muh twenty percent!"
You have taken an unreasonable and immoral position, and you are siding with terrorists who would cut your throat as joyfully as they did the throats of the 10/07 victims.