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How much do you think Paladin's rent was at the Hotel Carlton?


His suite at the Hotel Carlton would be considered nice by today's standards, but in the 1870s it was almost palatial. How much did that room cost in your estimation? I see Paladin earning about $12,000-$15,000 a year. Taking into account his typical fee of $1,000 as well as allowances for "discounts" for the less financially secure, while sometimes collecting "bonuses" for more difficult jobs. His rent could have been anywhere from $200-$350 a month. You guys have any idea?

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It's remarkable how you ask questions lexyladyjax and I have talked about in private messages. She was sure that he had investments and that $1,000/gig was vast money at the time, but I thought prices of things mentioned in all the westerns seemed way out of line with the dollar-to-dollar comparison between then and now. Of course, I doubt they were paying much attention to "continuity" in 1950s television. Anyway, now I'm going to have to look it up. There actually is a Hotel Carlton in San Francisco, but the same ... ? Haven't had much success with Google yet, but will try some more creative routes.


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Even by 1950s standards, $12,000-$15,000 was a fairly nice income. In those days people bought houses for that much. In 1957, $12,000 was $97,560.98 in today's money, while $15,000 was equivalent to $121,951.22 in today's money. In 1875, $12,000 would be $250,000 today and $15,000 would be $312,500. Paladin was quite comfortable, but he enjoyed the good things in life such as bottles of Dom Perignon, house seats at the opera, and his penchant for poker. I think the poker cut into whatever investments he may have had.

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Knowing Paladin's ability to make shrewd investments, he probably owned a piece of the Carleton. You can see in "Hey Boy's Revenge" that he had a lot of pull and when he spoke, the staff jumped.

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In an episode Paladin threatened to settle his bill and leave the Hotel Carlton, needless to say, the manager didn't want to lose such a valued resident. Personally, I wouldn't mind living in a suite like Paladin's.

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I believe it. I did not see that one.

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That was the Calamity Jane episode. It's the only time I've ever seen her represented as anything close to the person she really was -- filthy, foul-mouthed and just plain ugly. Of course, they had an attractive actress in the role, but otherwise she was someone the Carlton would have refused had Paladin not issued his threat. My first husband was born and raised in Deadwood, SD, and his father had driven cattle for the Army with Calamity, who was then known as a "bull-whacker" (exactly what the term implies). I'm with you on the suite -- I'd LOVE to live in such a palacial Victorian suite.


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In 1968 a switchman, the highest paid nonmanagement employee, at the New York Telephone Company in NYC made $168.00 per week. Just to give you an idea.

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San Francisco's Hotel Carlton was built in 1927. So it cannot be the same one that housed Paladin. According to the introduction to the radio version of Have Gun Will Travel, Paladin's heyday was 1875. ("San Francisco. 1875. The Carlton Hotel. Headquarters of a man called Paladin") On the radio, Paladin was played by John Dehner. I listened to the radio show each week on Armed Forces Radio in Tokyo in the early 1970s. That radio network featured a lot of radio shows from the late 1940s and early 1950s.

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I've heard the radio Have Gun Will Travel, and it's quite good, especially as it came after the TV series became a hit, most unusual back then, especially as in 1958 OTR was in its final days. I don't think Dehner would have been as effective as the tougher looking Boone on screen, but he was a fine radio Paladin.

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Thanks, Telegonus, for that information. I didn't know that the radio version was made after the television series became a hit. I prefered John Dehner because he was more easy going and did not play Paladin as a self-righteous, domineering, pontificating, condescending and intimidating character who, if falling on hard times, was liable to become Cicero Grimes.
Armed Forces Radio in Tokyo never told the audience the dates of their radio shows which also included radio versions of Dragnet and Gunsmoke with William Conrad, who was too fat to make the transistion to television. They also had Fort Laramie with another fatty, Raymond Burr.

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You're welcome, Jeff. I'm very fond of John Dehner, a very gifted man who was a Disney cartoonist in his early years and also wrote scripts for such radio series as Suspense, and one that I remember in particular was very good. One never knows about actors just by looking at them and listening to them. On screen, Dehner tended to come off as a dandy, bore a fleeting resemblance to John Barrymore.

Indeed, Richard Boone could be overbearing but I find that to be part of his charm and his (for want of a better term) "negative charisma". Not a handsome man, nor a charmer, he learned to dominate scenes by sheer force of personality and a strong, authoritative, masculine voice. Cicero Grimes, indeed! His work in Hombre may be his best screen performance.

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Not a charmer? I beg to differ. Richard Boone -- for all that he was not a handsome man -- had vast appeal to women. He did tend to dominate scenes, but I think that's because he was one of those people who enter a room, and every head turns.

"sheer force of personality and a strong, authoritative, masculine voice."

That about says it. There was a great story about him filming in the studio next door to where Tony Curtis was filming something. The lines of women waiting for a chance to get close to Richaard Boone outnumbered the Curtis line by a margin of 10 to 1.


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I've read that Richard Boone had great sex appeal and that he was deluged by letters from female fans while starring as Paladin on TV. It's a pity he either wouldn't or couldn't continue along similar lines in films as he opted for another TV series instead. He had a good run while it lasted and it seemed that he had far more potential as an actor than he was able to use.

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Richard Boone was physically exhausted and emotionally burned out. In HGWT he was in the majority of the scenes. The writing became repetitive. He carried the series as long as he could. Had there been other characters to focus on, perhaps it could have gone on longer but that would not have been HGWT, would it?



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True. Boone also directed several episodes as well.

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Richard Boone was teaching Method Acting classes while he starred in HGWT. There were times he would arrive still dressed in his Paladin costume to teach his students. He taught many who went on to be famous. I'll search out my book and post some of their names.

Boone directed 28 episodes of HAVE GUN - WILL TRAVEL. Later in his life he speculated that he should have gone into directing rather than continued in his acting career. He was truly a path-breaker. He was unpopular with the suits because he insisted on having approval of his costars, script approval and he asked for location shooting. This was all new at the time and the suits (a term coined by Robert Blake, a good friend of Boone) thought his demands outrageous. Now, as we all know, stars of a hit series regularly receive these perks as a part of their compensation package.

Richard Boone was an actor and a man far ahead of his time. Those around him failed to comprehend his genius. They didn't respect him for his inventiveness.



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I agree wholeheartedly, lexyladyjax .

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telegonus:

I agree wholeheartedly, lexyladyjax.



I'll gladly raise my glass and drink with you, Telegonus! Richard Boone was a man!

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John Dehner was monumental,stole every scene.....but Boone
is Paladin!

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Conrad was talented and Cannon was a hit!

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William Conrad directed at least one episode of HGWT. I believe it was the one where he played the alcoholic who dug a well and hit whiskey. It wasn't well written but it was well-acted.

Conrad also starred in the episode Genesis as the antagonist of Paladin's creator, Smoke.






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The U.S. Hotel in Saratoga Springs had cottages that cost $125 a night in the 1870s. I bet a luxury hotel for the super-rich in San Francisco would have similar rates.

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WOW, ZevII! Where did you get that information? It seems inconceivable that anyone would pay $125 for one night in 1875, even in Buckingham Palace, but I'm sure the tab at the Hotel Carlton was a hefty one. Even at a long-term rate that was one-fourth of the nightly rate, Paladin would be doing one $1,000 gig a month just to pay the rent!


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Fascinating topic. My wrist's in a splint, so apologies in advance for any typos. I'll correct them later.

ZevII wrote:

The U.S. Hotel in Saratoga Springs had cottages that cost $125 a night in the 1870s. I bet a luxury hotel for the super-rich in San Francisco would have similar rates.


That's a good point. Still, wouldn't a cottage would be more expensive than a suite? Surely a long-time resident would have had a special arrangement with his hotel... Say the hotel charged $100/night for the suite in which Paladin lived, that would be $700/week for your average tourist off the street. Paladin lived there year round, so he paid $450-$500 per week for his rooms for full-time occupancy. That would guarantee the Carlton the income and Paladin wouldn't have to worry about a place to lay his head.

Hotels have seasons, too. In the off season he may have paid $400 or a bit less per week. That's a great deal of money for a sitting room, a bedroom, and a bathroom en suite, running water or not. At that time a farm house could be built for about that amount of money.

Paladin came from money. Perhaps he lived extravagantly because every day could have been his last. Isn't it fun to speculate?

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Two years later, I just saw your question, Patty Jones.

To finally answer: I like to go to the races at Saratoga Springs, and I saw that rate in an online history article of the city.

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I would guess that Paladin payed no more than $250.00 a month for his suite. That would convert to roughly $5000.00 a month in the inflated currency of today.

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I live outside NYC. Occasionally there are stories on the news of people who celebrate their golden wedding anniversary at a luxury hotel , such as The Plaza or the Waldorf Astoria. The hotel will charge the same rate as fifty years ago. It is usually something like $19 per night.

Living in a hotel full time was not unusual. Cole Porter, General Douglas MacArthur and FranK Sinatra lived at the Waldorf Towers. Jackie Gleason lived at the hotel that is mentioned at the end of "The Honeymooners. I believe that he later lived in the hotel in Miami beach where he did his 1960's variety show.

George Steinbrenner, the late owner of the NY Yankees live in a Manhattan hotel, I heard that he ws paying about 25,000 a month.

Howard Hughes lived in Hotel rooms in the last years of his life.

The U.S ambassador the the United Nations rents a triplex suite at the Waldorf towers. When I was in college in the 1980's, I remember reading that it was about 21,000 dollars a month.The taxpayers have been paying for that suite all these years.

Today many people can buy condos in the hotels and get maid service. I am guessing that there were no condos back in 1875.

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$5,000 of 1875 dollars would be worth: $106,382.98 in 2014.

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There was a contemporary hotel at that time in San Francisco call The Palace Hotel. I burned down in the 1906 earthquake, but was eventually rebuilt. They had a rate card from 1922 that said suites ran from $15-$25 a day, which included a sitting room, bed and bath. Obviously, even suites were not normally as opulent as they had in the show. The website is worth checking out.

http://thepalacehotel.org/

So, let's say something of Paladin's taste cost $25 a day in the 1870s. That would be an annual cost of $9,125. That's not including Hey Boy (or Hey Girl) salary--which would have been minimal, although I imagine he paid him better than standard wages. He also has a fine wardrobe when not working. And then there are the expensive gifts he gives some of the, ahem, 'ladies' who visit. There's also his gambling, although he usually seems to win at that. 💸

In a recent episode, "The Return Of Dr Thackeray" he tells a person trying to broker his services about a gold shipment that he "spends $2,000 a year on cigars." In that episode he was also negotiating to do the job for $10K. So I imagine he earns much more than $15,000 and to where he can put in some jobs for free. I would double that to about $30,000 a year.

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UberGeek, Paladin didn't pay HeyBoy and HeyGirl directly. The Carlton paid their regular salary as employees. What's.likely is that Paladin kept them on retainer. Say he paid them each an additional $25-30/week, that would easily double or triple their salary. Then when they performed a special service he tipped them heavily for the additional assistance, sometimes with a $10 or $20 gold piece. Gold was worth more than paper money, so bonus there.

Palladian was generosity itself. For a patron like that one goes above and beyond the call of duty at all time.

I once.calculated that Paladin performed.an unrealistic minimum of eight to ten paying $10K jobs/year. It's unrealistic because he rarely takes the train (3X over six years) and travel time would prevent him arriving before situations resolved on their own.

The reason for the travel time problem is that HGWT was originally meant to be contemporary. Paladin was originally meant to be a jet set playboy living in New York City. When the series was pitched the network was looking for another western so it was changed to be set a century earlier. Everything worked except the travel timing. Most folks didn't even notice it.





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"The reason for the travel time problem is that HGWT was originally meant to be contemporary. Paladin was originally meant to be a jet set playboy living in New York City. When the series was pitched the network was looking for another western so it was changed to be set a century earlier. Everything worked except the travel timing. Most folks didn't even notice it."


That and he wore those same clothes for days! 

We don't really know if he took a train or not. He could have stored his horse on board and the story just didn't cover that part. However, the train wouldn't have gone everywhere and it's clear between the amount of time it would take to get his request by mail and his travel time that he would arrive, in some cases, weeks later. Especially so since he didn't change horses along the way.

Although he did get quite a few jobs on the fly also.

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What kind of shallow, trivial asshole would care?

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