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How long would it have lasted?


If you're reading this post you probably already know the story. The Wild Wild West is a television rarity in that it was cancelled not because of its ratings (which ranged from decent to good) but rather due the show's excessive violence. During the late sixties, in response to acts of violence such as the assassinations of RFK and MLK, the feds began cracking down on TV violence with the idea being that violence on the tube begat violence in real life. Hearings were held and the networks agreed to curb it all back with CBS cancelling WWW as a sort of sacrificial lamb. So the US government would ironically be responsible for ending a show that portrayed the US government in a flattering light, but hey ... that's showbiz.

Suppose, however, that that never happened. How long could the show have lasted? There were many other factors involved. For one, it has been said that Robert Conrad was tiring of the role and that CBS knew this and thus decided to kill off two birds with one stone. It is also mentioned that Conrad and the stuntmen were afraid that someone would eventually get seriously hurt and therefore they should quit while they were ahead. And what about Ross Martin's health? After breaking a leg and suffering a heart attack could he continue with physical demands of the show? Plus, by the start of the seventies both the spy and western genres were fading from the scene.

Yet how much of that was true at the time and how much was it people waxing philosophical after the fact? At the time of the show's cancellation, for example, Conrad was pretty angry about the way things went down. And stuntmen complaining someone might get hurt? Please. If there wasn't a chance of people getting hurt they'd all be out of a job. Martin's injuries? He played in (at least semi-) physically demanding roles after coming back. Spy and western genres fading? Established westerns such as Gunsmoke and Bonanza went well into the seventies. And one of the decade's top shows was from the spy genre: The Six Million Dollar Man (although you could argue it marked the beginning of Hollywood's modern fascination with superheroes).

Assuming the show could have died a natural death, how long do you think The Wild Wild West would have lasted? Five seasons? Seven? Ten? 'Till the era of the TV movies (1979)?

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So how long do you think could The Wild Wild West have lasted? Five seasons? Seven? Ten? 'Till the era of the TV movies (1979)? - Gialmere


As I have noted elsewhere on this board, "The Wild Wild West" was a pretty formulaic show: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058855/board/thread/224084067. As such, I don't think it would have the staying power of other CBS shows of the era, e.g., Hawaii Five-O (1968). But had the restrictions on TV violence not been in place, I could see TWWW running for another season or two.

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It certainly would have had at least one more season, but I'll see your six and raise you a seventh.

As I have noted elsewhere on this board, "The Wild Wild West" was a pretty formulaic show: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058855/board/thread/224084067.

Who could forget that awesome thread? In response to an unanswered question there, I was referring to the steampunk tank prop in general and called it the Juggernaut since I always thought that was the coolest name they came up with for it.

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Sometimes, less is better.



Now more than ever we can use you in our sadly depleted organization.

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I'd have to agree. It probably would have went to a season 5 no more than 6. About a week ago I purchased season 1 boxed set. As a kid I loved the show but didn't understand it all.

It would have been cool to see some new recurring interesting bad guys. It woulda been cool to see a 2 or 3 part story where Dr. Loveless puts together a team with he , Emma Valentine, Tyco and Count Manzeppi to take down West. Oh well. Wasn't meant to be I guess.

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There had been so many spy shows (and movies) that audiences were probably kinda over the whole craze by the end of the sixties. However, if CBS's other (and comparatively duller) spy series "Mission: Impossible" could last six seasons, I think "WWW" could easily have gone for a fifth.

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Please remember CBS cancelled the WWW but brought it back! Season 5 was repeats of season 4.

So I agree that WWW like M:I could have had 7 seasons.

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Please remember CBS cancelled the WWW but brought it back! Season 5 was repeats of season 4.



Yeah, they ran season 4 on Saturday nights instead of it's usual Friday night berth as a summer replacement for some other show that was off on hiatus.

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but rather due the show's excessive violence.


Really?..Seriously??

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The Wild Wild West is a television rarity in that it was cancelled not because of its ratings (which ranged from decent to good) but rather due the show's excessive violence. - Gialmere


Really?..Seriously?? - rampageandy


As Susan Kesler's book on the series explains:

Washington created The National Commission on Causes and Prevention of Violence which linked video/television violence to real-life violence. The Commission felt that, in the absence of family, peer and school relationships, television became a most compatible substitute for real-life experiences. The Commission also recommended a self-policing policy in networks, with Commission-supplied guidelines. A notable reduction in programs that contained violence was encouraged, along with the total elimination of violence from children's programming, and the scheduling of crime and adventure series in the evening hours, long after children's bedtime.


It was a different era. Politicians were so concerned about solving problems they rushed to judgement so as to give the appearance of doing something. These days they are quite content to do nothing for long periods of time for purely political reasons, just ask Merrick Garland.

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Mystery Solved!!
Thanks for that alpha! My brother & i have 'wondered' about this.. For Years!!

i think what i was "Hung-Up" on was the earlier use of the term "Excessive Violence".. in this context you present, it make a little MORE sense..

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Mystery Solved!!
Thanks for that alpha! My brother & i have 'wondered' about this.. For Years!! - rampageandy


You are welcome!

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Frankly, I'm glad the show ended when it did. It was getting awfully tired by the fourth season; most of the episodes had plots recycled from earlier seasons.

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The evening news showed the Vietnam War, race rioting, and all sorts of mayhem - and The Wild Wild West, a fictitious television show, was accused of being "too violent".

You make sense of it.
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Boy! Considering what they show on TV and Cable now, I guess the government, basically in the end, did not solve the "TV violence causes real violence" problem. Typical that politicians so out of touch with the regular person would not be able to truly solve our problems.

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If it was cancelled because of its excessive violence, they could have just dialed back the violence level and gone ahead, if they had wanted to and the ratings were good enough. I used to watch the show every week, and it wasn't any more violent than contemporary action shows like "The Man from U.N.C.L.E.", "I Spy", or any number of westerns in which at least a few guys got blown away every week.

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At the very least it would have lasted five seasons.

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The Wild Wild West was a first-run favorite of my youth in the late 60's.

I recall reading a TV Guide article in 1969 that showed "a day in the life of CBS executive Michael Dann." They reached a "real life scene" where Dann was in a room with a group of people looking at a board filled with multi-color signs of different lengths. Each sign was a TV series on the CBS schedule -- some signs were shorter(half hour shows), some signs were longer(hour shows.)

Dann was deciding which signs to "keep on the board" -- renew for next season; and which signs to "toss off the board" (cancel, to make room for a NEW sign -- new series for the board.)

He reached the sign on the board for The Wild Wild West. Discussed it with staff. The ratings were still good, but indeed the violence was getting attacked in Congress and the show had declined a bit in ratings and was expensive to do. (The third season and fourth seasons were more cheaply budgeted than the first and second.)

The big moment came. I recall the article saying:

"Michael Dann gave it a moment's thought -- and pulled the sign for The Wild Wild West off the board and threw it in the trash."

As a young person "learning about the business," I remember that that sentence seemed meaningful to me. This ONE guy -- Michael Dann -- after only a few minutes of discussion -- threw The Wild Wild West into the trash can(literally) and ended a childhood adventure favorite. He also took jobs away from Robert Conrad, Ross Martin, all the crew, the loyal stuntmen, EVERYBODY. With one toss of a card. That's power.

Curse you Michael Dann...wherever you are!


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Talk about being thrown to the wolves!!!

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Or about being thrown in the trash can...

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