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So Doctor Who is gay now


They've gone full scorched-earth with the wokeness on this one.

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Oh they woke the hell out of it on a nuclear level destroying everything in its path.

Tennant’s doctor said he was bi, a trans-woman took his powers after brow beating him about using the correct gender pronouns for an alien monkey(!!!), and the next doctor will be black AND gay.

And last season during the reign of the female Doctor (lowest ratings ever for the series) they revamped the Timelords so that the very first Doctor was now an overweight black woman. 🙄

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Yes, they did the typical bait and switch by bringing back one of the favorite actors for the doctor and doubled down on the woke nonsense.

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Exactly. For around 70 years, all the great, beloved tv shows were heteronormative. Jimmy Saville's BBC and Iger's degenerate Disney thinking they can overthrow heteronormative entertainment is as foolish as thinking they can reinvent wheels by making them triangular.

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THINGS CHANGE.🙂

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The change that drives away viewers.

I can always count on an ignorant response from Captain All Caps, Skavau will surely be here soon to ignorantly reply, too.

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THE TV REFLECTS THE WORLD THAT CREATES IT...THE CHANGE IS REAL.

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Nope, this is the evil BBC and Iger Disney's tyranny of the minority. Everyone who's not brain dead notices.

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🤣🥒

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The dumb icon response was expected from Captain All Caps. Good riddance, ignoramus.

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YOU EXPECTED AN ACTUAL RESPONSE?...TO YOUR LAST POST?...LMAO...SOUNDED LIKE SATIRE TO ME.

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The change may be REAL, as you say, but that doesn't mean it's good.

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THAT IS TRUE...HOWEVER...IT IS GOOD.

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Yeah, I see it's trending again. Can you tell me why there have been many successful 'woke' TV shows?

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Oh, you wouldn't want to discuss Doctor Who, it's just a kids show. You think you're far too sophisticated for such things.

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Sure. But you're suggesting that no-one likes anything with LGBT people in. There doesn't seem to be any evidence for this

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I'm sure you'll find someone smug like you on The Expanse board to debate with since it's such a popular, sophisticated show.

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RUN OUT OF BULLSHIT?

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Oh no, I'm being double teamed by the 2 village idiots of Moviechat. How will I survive this? LOL

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LUBRICATION & THE MORNING AFTER PILL?🤔

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So no answer for why there are many successful shows that depict LGBT people

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Name one.

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WILL & GRACE.

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Heartstopper, Sex Education, The Last of Us, Euphoria

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Aren't those all streaming shows that don't disclose viewing numbers?

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Heartstopper

https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/heartstopper-season-2-lincoln-lawyer-netflix-1235691026/

https://tv.parrotanalytics.com/US/heartstopper-netflix

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Sex Education: https://www.thewrap.com/sex-education-season-4-netflix-most-watched-tv-list-viewership/

The Last of Us: https://winteriscoming.net/2023/05/12/the-last-of-us-most-watched-show-history-hbo-max-europe/

Euphoria: https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/euphoria-season-2-finale-ratings-1235192015/#:~:text=According%20to%20HBO%2C%20%E2%80%9CEuphoria%E2%80%9D,and%20final%20season%20in%202019.

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All of those sources are run by the LGBT Mafia so nobody really knows if any of that "reporting'' is accurate. But if it IS accurate then you smug queers don't need to infiltrate classics like Doctor Who. You should be content with all that new perverted crap.

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>All of those sources are run by the LGBT Mafia so nobody really knows if any of that "reporting'' is accurate.

Provide evidence for this claim please.

> But if it IS accurate then you smug queers don't need to infiltrate classics like Doctor Who. You should be content with all that new perverted crap.

I'm not gay. Also, Doctor Who isn't the sole product of some specific author. The BBC themselves commissioned it, and chose the showrunners. This isn't some subversion of literature.

And what makes those shows specifically perverted? Have you actually not heard of The Last of Us, by the way?

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But you SMUG QUEERS aren't content with those new PERVERTED shows so you are selfishly infiltrating classic heteronormative shows.

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I'm not gay.

And none of this answers any of my questions

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Nobody believes you.

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Not that it matters if I am actually gay or not (I'm not).

And you've still not answered my questions

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The doctor is an ALIEN! Hahaha.

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"SMUG QUEERS"...???...YOU ARE KIND OF EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.

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Oh please. Doctor Who has always been "woke" for the time it was in.

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Then forcing in trans and homosexuality was not necessary since "Doctor Who was always dat way."

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How is having a trans or gay character forcing anything on anyone?

Don't watch it if it bothers you.

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Stop watching heteronormative entertainment if it bothers YOU. Don't ever complain when you see a show that lacks LGBT representation.

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Heteronormative entertainment doesn't bother me. Neither does LGBT entertainment. I don't usually complain about representation at all. I understand why some people want to see themselves on film. I recently commented on a Hallmark Christmas movie that had an autistic actor playing an autistic character and I thought that was cool.

So not including the war doctor out of the 14 "doctors" 12 have been played by white males who were portrayed to be mostly the same as a straight human. So....What are you complaining about? You have 60 years of back episodes to watch.

I love how you get all upset that an alien from another world has to abide by human rules for sex and sexuality.

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There is no such thing as straight entertainment.

A TV show can have straight characters or gay characters, it can introduce gay characters if it decides to.

The issue here is you seem to think these shows should cater to your own tastes and beliefs but the show will always try to speak to multiple people and be relevant.

I'd also like to point out there is evidence in Survival that points to Ace not being straight and RTDs original run had jack who was bi sexual

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Jack was omnisexual.

"Anything with a hole", I believe was how they phrased it.

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Which proves this isn't anything new for the show

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The moment a show starts trying to be "relevant", is usually the moment it jumps the shark.

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A lot of shows will look at modern issues.

No point in being irrelevant as most people wouldn't watch

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What did you think of Torchwood?

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I've never seen a full episode. What I've seen looked like YA cringe. I've heard it's super gay.

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It is. It's also part of the extended Doctor Who universe.

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I never minded as long as that gay cringe stayed out of Doctor Who. Now it's in Doctor Who.

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Jack Harkness, the lead of Torchwood (who is not straight either the actor or the character), was literally was in Doctor Who.

There have been many characters who have been gay or lesbian in Doctor Who since its re-emergence in 2005.

https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Queer_representation_in_Doctor_Who

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Thanks for the ammunition.

"Writer Ian Briggs revealed many years after the production of The Curse of Fenric that the story's Dr Judson was intended to be — like the man he was based on, Alan Turing — struggling with his homosexuality, but this was ultimately cut as in 1988, it was still NOT GENERALLY CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS SUCH TOPICS IN A FAMILY PROGRAMME."

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1988 was 35 years ago.

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"It's CURRENT YEAR, time to legalize pedophelia and beastiality. It's not da 1950s anymore, DERP!"

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When did I say anything about that - two entirely different things? What the fuck are you on about?

Social mores have substantially changed since 1988. What's the problem with depicting homosexuality in fiction?

In the 1980s, something like Game of Thrones would've been impossible. In the 1950's, just depicting pre-marital sex would've been controversial.

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In a few short years you and your army of perverts will be defending pedophilia and beastiality as the new normal.

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Is your argument here that because pedophilia is wrong (and it is, and it is in no way coherently comparable with homosexuality) therefore homosexuality is wrong to portray in fiction?

By this logic, was it wrong when TV started depicting unmarried relationships? Was it wrong when TV started depicting interracial relationships? Taboos were once taboos, and socially unacceptable (and sometimes criminalised) - until they weren't. Why wasn't it wrong for society to accept interracial relationships and premarital sex, but now suddenly it's too much to accept the portrayal of homosexual characters in fiction?

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WHY ARE YOU SO ANGRY AND OBTUSE?

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Fascinating little fact about the British Broadcasting Corporation -- and actually it applies to almost all British television: it doesn't make shows for reactionary conservative Americans. Doesn't give a shit about them.

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There are no reactionary conservatives in the U.K. Apparently that's strictly a U.S. phenomenon.

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There are way less reactionary conservatives in the UK, correct.

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Well, our conservatives are a little different to American conservatives, because -- you see -- our culture and history is different to America's, what with us being a separate country thousands of miles away from the USA and all of that. American politics is somewhat unique to America in many, many ways.

But that's really not the point I was making. It doesn't actually matter if there are or are not reactionary conservatives in the UK. The point being made is that the BBC isn't making its television shows for reactionary American conservatives. They're not licence fee payers. They're not British citizens. They don't matter. The BBC makes its shows for a British audience primarily, and anyone else who happens to like them is a bonus. And they're welcome. If people don't like it, they have plenty of their own domestically-produced shows to watch instead.

But they should stop trying to impose their politics on other people's cultures. It's rude and obnoxious. And I suspect they wouldn't do it for a show that wasn't in the English language, because it would be more immediately obvious to them that the show was 'foreign'.

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Our reactionaries here are more anti-immigration more than anything else in this particular context. There's not much appetite for crying about LGBT people in TV shows. We are way less religious.

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Indeed.

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Not really surprising if you have watched previous stories in New Who.

I mean, the Twelfth Doctor mentioned The Master was his crush on Gallifrey.

The Ninth Doctor didn't mind Captain Jack kissing him.

Wasn't it also implied the Thirteenth Doctor and Yaz were attracted to each other? Not sure as I was only watching that era on and off.

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What's the point in making a character like Jack Harkness - one of my favorite Doctor Who characaters - if they're just gonna make The Doctor gay?

Thank god I stopped watching this show a while ago. I'm trying to remember the earlier seasons of the revival series fondly, but RTD sure is making it hard to separate the art from the artists with the way he's been presenting himself the last several years.

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