People always said Elena is gentle, loving and selfless (which is proven after she sacrifice herself so tha bonnie can live).
Caroline is described as having a big heart, strong and caring but selfless is rarely on her description.
Can anyone tell me when does these two girls did a big selfish thing as opposed to selfless bonnie that bonnie fans always complains about?
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Elena with Bonnie are the two most selfless characters on the show. Elena sacrificed just as much as Bonnie did and lost more people than Bonnie did.
shareLmao no she she didn't because Elena got most of the people she loved back almost right after losing them.
shareShe lost her biological parents, adopted parents and aunt Jenna, though.
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The only one she got back is Jeremy
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Elena did Sacrificed Human Katherine in exchange for the chance to bring Bonnie back from the dead.
Remember when Elena just watch Damon fed Human Katherine to Silas .
Katherine has always been untrustworthy and naughty person , but she was a human and at that moment she was almost harmless to anyone.
But Elena let Damon murder human Katherine for the chance to bring Bonnie back from the Dead.
Katherine survived that incident ( the Cure was drain from her , but her heart restarted ), but that wasn't the point .
Like Stefan and Damon entrapping people to fail Cade's test .
If that was Cade's test on morality , Elena had failed it .
Was Elena selfish to sacrifices a live Human for the chance to resurrect a dead person ?
Katherine did a lot of terrible and selfish thing , but she did it for her own survival .
On the other hand Elena did a terrible thing for the chance to bring her dead friend back .
Was that selfish ?
You're splitting hairs trying to find a non selfish character in this show. The least among the characters is Matt the girls Bonnie but theyve all made really bad decisions for self. Elena and Caroline have both been on "switch flipped" killing sprees which garuntees them both a special place in hell I'll tell you that. Bonnie has given and sacrificed more than all of them including but not limited to her well founded beliefs about vampires.
shareI disagree because Elena didn't choose to turn her humanity off. Damon used the sire bond to make her. Unklike Caroline, Damon, Stefan...they all choose to turn it off.Bonnie didn't sacrifice more than Elena
shareElena didn't choose to turn her humanity off
Can you please remind me how she turned her humanity off?
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Can you please remind me how she turned her humanity off?
no no, I meant when she turned it off in season 4(?) was it after Jeremy died? She culdnt take any more loose and she turned it off ? Did she choose to do it or Damon forced her to do?
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It was when Jeremy died and she fell apart, broke and Damon used the sire bond to make her turn it off telling her"turn it off, this is what I want you to do".She didn't choose to. But once she did, the sire bond was broken.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOqg_1U7ZAI
Are you kidding me?F
or one No one, including Elena, claims that she's perfect but she sure doesn't deserve hell
For two.after what Katherine did to Elena,and everyone Elena loved, I can totally understand Elena choosing to save her best friend over Katherine.
So if in your head Elena deserves hell for it, think again.
Also, it would be "are Elena and Caroline selfish?"
shareI dont know about selfish per se but I think Caroline was shallow from get go, Elena artifical, too goody good.
But I am sure Bonnie is selfless person on the show except for one time for which she will pay for ever from fans and the characters.
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Thank you.
Bonnie's one selfish moment will guarantee her hate forever. It doesn't matter if it's weighed against the numerous times her friends have been selfish over the years. But then again, Bonnie, up until this point at least, was written to serve these people, so for her to finally think about herself might come across as "ungrateful" or "selfish".
I'm sorry, but anyone who comes to the conclusion that Bonnie's choice to be selfish for once even compares to her "friends" can kick rocks.
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What about that time , when Bonnie helped Silas to open the Expression Triangle .It almost kill a lot of people .
Bonnie was warned by many people about the danger of Silas , and she open the Tomb of Silas , and then for ananother selfish reson she helped Silias open the veil to the other side , for a brief period a lot of angry ghost from the other side were release .
Bonnie had disregarded the safety of the Entire World , when she helped Silas , because she wanted to bring Jeremy back from the dead .
wasnt it related to Caroline though, trying to save her or something? I cannot really recall, its been ages.
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It was kind of related to Caroline
Silas needed to open an Expression Triangle , he needed to sacrifices 12 human , 12 vampire and 12 Witches.
12 witches was sent by bonnie Mother to purge Bonnie's evil Expression magic ,but they decided Bonnie was too dangerous and beyond help , the witches was going to kill Bonnie , but Caroline saved Bonnie , but they were all linked to gether , Caroline kill one , but led to the death of all 12 witches .
Silas needed to open an Expression Triangle , he needed to sacrifices 12 human , 12 vampire and 12 Witches.
Wasnt that Shane? .
Why did Silas needed the EXpression Triangle...
After Jeremy died? When she was completely consumed by a deadly form of magic? The same magic that caused her to set her living room on fire while dreaming, and when she told Caroline, her only worry was her prom dress?
No one paid any attention to Bonnie that season, even though she was the most powerful being walking around, brainwashed and willing to drop the veil, which could've been catastrophic, she still wasn't a priority.
This was one of the only times that Bonnie was clearly being selfish, where she thought of she and Enzo's happiness above everyone else.
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Elena shallow?Makes me wonder if what that word even mean to even put it in the same sentence with Elena
shareI dont know about selfish per se but I think Caroline was shallow from get go, Elena artifical, too goody good.
artificioal,shallow and selfish aren't words you can use with Elena. Confused, messed up,....but definitly not any of the previous 3.She with Bonnie the most selfless character on the show and she's not fake , a hypocrite
shareI just told the OP my opinion.
You are entitled to yours.
She was def confused and messed up but I think she was artificial too... not genuine and continuously tried to portray good image of her until she became a vampire. Someone even quoted some dialogues of her while she was with Stefan.
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That didn't happen.Her fear of her feelings for Damon, her loyalty to Stefan isn't "trying to portray good image", it's real.
shareAs a human Elena was always concerned with how other people would view her choices. When Caroline tried to get Elena to admit her feelings for Damon in 3x04 she says "I can't Caroline. If I admit it, if I even thought it for just a second, what does that say about me?" Also when Elena and Damon were dancing at the frat party in 4x04 she was having fun for the first time since becoming a vampire and what stopped her? When she looked over and saw Bonnie judging the *beep* out of her. She denied her feelings for Damon to her friends, family and to herself bc she didn't want to love him. He was the "bad" choice, the "wrong" choice. In her mind Stefan was the choice she was supposed to make. Vampirism finally gave her the freedom to stop being that scared little girl and go after what she really wanted.
Ah?Do you know anyone normal who wants to leave a bad impression on people, to look bad?Eventually Elena did what she wanted no matter what others thought of it.
shareHence I said
Seems like she wanted to give a good impression about herself which is natural I guess like you said yesterday. Most teenagers want to portray a good impression.