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This show shows the sad state the Hollywood is in.


It’s a decent show, passable. But it’s main success and ratings are based on a simngle facto

It’s a reactionary show, gets against the trend pushed down our throat (although not that much) and that makes it stand out from the pile of shit that we are served.

So annoying that mediocre shows like this season are appreciated because, frankly, everything else is pretty much propaganda filled shit …

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What "trend" are you referring to specifically? Can you actually tell me what TV shows you like?

Because I'm getting the impression you're just hopelessly out of touch or completely socially reactionary

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The she-hulk, echo. Ashoka, marvels, the marvel, rings of power, the Witcher trend.

What shows do I like?

Dark, the boys, fargo, Mr sunshine (and othe Korean shows), queen’s gambit, most of Flanagan’s shows are some of the really good shows in the last years.

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>The she-hulk, echo. Ashoka, marvels, the marvel, rings of power, the Witcher trend.

The MCU does not define all of modern TV. Literally everything here other than the Witcher and ROP is Capeshit.

>Dark, the boys, fargo, Mr sunshine (and othe Korean shows), queen’s gambit, most of Flanagan’s shows are some of the really good shows in the last years.

House of the Dragons, Warrior, Chernobyl, The Boys, Severance, Silo, The Bear, One Piece, Beef, Black Bird, Alice in Borderland, Foundation, Dopesick, Slow Horses, Devs, The Great, Mayor of Kingstown, Gangs of London, Tokyo Vice, Perry Mason, Babylon Berlin, Tehran, SAS Rogue Heroes

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Yeah, so you basically agree with my stance, Thank you.

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No, I do not. How was me listing those shows an agreement? You think all the shows I listed there in response to you are bad?

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No, you listed shows I would consider good. That doesn't take away from my point.

And those do have woke elements as well, but at least have a quality story and that save them from being in the same category as RoP.

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>No, you listed shows I would consider good. That doesn't take away from my point.

So how does Reacher compare to them then?

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I haven't seem them all from the list but not as good as the ones I've seen.

Well bellow HotD, a LOT bellow the boys or Chernobyl. Kinda at the same level with Warrior (maybe a bit better since I stopped Warrior after half the season), for sure under Sile, Mayor, Foundation.

You have a good list but not all are great.

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Sure, they're not all "great" - but Reacher isn't revered on a pedestal as the best show of the 20s.

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Sigh, no one said that.

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Okay, so reading your original post - you think this is a "mediocre" show? It might be, I haven't seen it (not into action spy shows).

A "mediocre" show with an inflated rating because of the shows surrounding it? Do you think the shows I listed to you are also "mediocre"?

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I am currently on episode 7, should be able to finish the season by the end of the day, and I thought this show is refreshing.

But that is after I just went through Marvel's echo, secret invasion, Loki session 2 and Marvels within the past few days, which were all painfully agenda driven, so maybe it is because my mind was just so polluted by a series of bad shows, but I found this season is engaging, watchable at least.

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The first season was good, second acceptable, which btw is more than I can say about pretty much every other show.

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I just finished the show and now I understand why you and OP think this show is just passable.

The ending is just too tidy, when has homeland ever arrested a senator?

Just like "the terminal list", the secretary of defence killed herself (when has that ever happened before?), because a nobody independent journalist in her custody threaten to expose her corruption, instead of just having the journalist killed.

Maybe this one is not as ludicrous as the terminal list, but it is still disappointing.

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Yes but also IMO it had a messy convoluted plot whereas the first series was straight forward. Never saw "terminal" but now I won't. I have seen some excellent Korean movies lately- I mean really good, and the suggestions I've seen in response to this show in regards to Korean TV shows sound very hopeful as well. Good film/TV is happening, just not in the US with it's forced politics, their determination to adhere to what I call "The Legend of the Superbitch" etc.

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This show is exactly like the books - simple and fun. No one watches this for its artistic value or deeper meaning.

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And that's my point. I was just pointing out that it receives a lot more attention and higher ratings than it deserves.

It is NOT a 98/80 show (ratting on rt) or 8.1 as on IMDB.

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People take those ratings too seriously. They are user ratings, meaning the people, who give their vote, do it mostly by comparing them with the other titles within the same class. Like this is a good action series and its rating is compared to other action series. You have Hallmark movies, who are objectively dumb and kitschy, but have high scores, because they are taken as they are - simple, family, TV movies and they are better than other family TV movies.

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" propaganda filled shit …"

as is you're OP
any chance you could actually articulate your point?

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I think he was talking about "agenda driven" shows.

Any Disney movies or TV shows in the past few years would meet the description.

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as in "the woke agenda" ?

90lb women beating up men?
Black people in lead roles?
white bad guy ?

this show had all that

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All US movies and TV shows have that, even the new Top Gun movie has diversity in it, but it is just how much they are focusing on it, in other words are they shaving it down your throat?

Disney shows usually make it a major part of plot, there is no way you can ignore it, this one not so much.

I think there is a difference between "having diversity" and "agenda driven".

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"this show had all that"

Yes, it did. But it was NOT the ONLY thing that it had. And it wasn't "90lb women beating up all men", "white bad guys and colored good guys". It was quite balanced, the 90lb women were part of a team with ... gasps ... even stronger men, the bad guys were not all white and all the good guys were not colored. There was a balance in the roles, and they didn't focus on the fact that Neagley was a woman or black or that the bad guy was white. Nothing of that was in your face, screaming.

If you cannot understand the nuance, well, it's not my problem.

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"agenda driven" "propaganda filled shit" - same shit.

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Season one was solid old school fun.
Season two was just plain boring. Which is a shame.

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I'll take mediocre over nothing better.

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