heres a simple test:
Are there ANY democrat voters here who think 2020 was rigged ?
Are there ANY republican voters here who dont think 2020 was rigged ?
I'm pretty sure we'll get no replies from anyone falling into either of those two categories.
what does this tell us?
Is it just a coincidence that the split of people who think 'rigged' / 'not rigged' aligns 100% with what they *want* to be the case?
The problem is, is that you had a guy who never left his home in 9 months to campaign in the form of Joe Biden.. Not once while Trump was going across the map campaigning and when the election day came(and I watched it from start to finish) Trump was ahead lightyears over Joe Biden the entire night, until of course, 11:50PM when NBC News decides to pull the plug on the ballot count and pick it up in the morning on the TODAY Show and when morning comes, Trump who was lightyears ahead if all of a sudden losing out of nowhere and statistically and mathematically, this was impossible.. Once could argue that there were voters dumb enough to do the whole "I'm not voting for Biden, I'm voting against Trump" crap which in a sense, backfired because once you cast your vote for the man, you couldn't take it back is how I'm thinking, so in essence, you won nothing and the Country has suffered for 4 years because of it.. One last thing: It should also be of note, that for as long as I've been voting in General Elections, all the way back to the 80's, we never had 1 General Election where the Ballot count was stopped and there was always a Winner projected THAT night unlike the 2020 Election and it's true..
shareand yet not a single democrat voter will go with you on that.
and not a single republican voter will try to refute any of that.
(to get back on the topic)
(I'd love to discuss the ins and outs of the "fix" , but in another thread hopefully)
Well, the way this entire thread is worded, it's pretty much impossible not to bring it up?? What the fuck?? LOL!!
shareTrue , true , very true
But I was hoping to focus on the kind of "groupthink" phenomena that these views represent.
Its pretty much the same split with Climate change , I could have used that as an example instead
But i guess there is no chance of not descending into the usual round and round that we've had before on the "rigged" issue, culminating in robocat posting his cut 'n paste "waiting for the proof" thing a hundred times.
.... so I'll start !
So you think the whole plot was carried out in the window NBC wernt covering it?
Were NBC told to switch off for this reason?
I think the usual explanation for the late change of lead id that postal votes were counted after the others , and they were more democrat heavy.
The odd thing is that the overnight vote dumps didn't take place in states like New York or Arkansas. In other words, in states where the outcome was never going to be in doubt, irrespective of whether they would go for Trump or Biden, the votes rolled in uninterrupted. It was in the states that either candidate needed to win where these highly irregular incidents took place.
Just a coincidence, I'm sure.
Well, one thing is for sure: The Democrats won't have Covid to use in this election like in 2020 and once Biden stated the Pandemic was over?? I could only imagine the panic in the Democrats face when he said this
shareDemocrats don't need to campaign, their voters are brain-dead idiots that chant dumb shit like "Vote Blue No Matter Who".
They know their voters are idiot followers, and will do so blindly.
The problem I have, among many, is why can't people ask about election integrity?
If someone blows up when you ask how do you know your vote was counted, you can probably guess who they voted for.
It depends how you ask .
Loudly proclaiming that ninjas snuck in at midnight and stuffed the boxes may get you a scornful reply.
But I'm sure there's a sensible conversation to be had about the procures and security.
Having said that when I tried to establish a couple of basic facts like "Do they send a voter slip to your home address" , I was met with a torrent of abuse from people assuming my hidden agenda was to discredit Trumps assertion that it was fixed, and nobody answering the questions
What if there's video of said Ninja's in the form of "Mules" seen doing some ballot stuffing in the middle of the night?? 🤔
shareWait, what, ninja's stuffing mules? This sounds like a video Kowalski would be watching.
shareWell that would all depend on the quality of the evidence.
What could be perfectly normal vote counting activity could be put in a video titled "vote stuffing ninjas! at midnight!"
If it shows them breaking in and descending from the ceiling mission impossible style it would hold more weight.
Any such evidence would obviously have been appraised and authenticated by the authorities and other groups by now - like the Team trump contracted to find such shenanigans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-eNJIafS48
shareInteresting.
I have a number of questions
Thats the "absentee ballot box" right?
How would it normally be used ? right off the bat i'm wondering how an "absentee" is able to go there and post their ballot if they are absent. Is this thing set up weeks beforehand for people to use ?
In other countries they just use any old post box for that because the absent voters are indeed absent.
What paper work is required for a valid absentee ballot? presumably forms are sent to the voters address on the electoral roll? This would make it hard for that woman to just print out a bunch of extra ballots and post them.
What I am assuming has happened here is a whole family has decided to vote that way and sent one person down to post the 3 or 4 envelopes - because why wouldnt you?
Did anything further come of this incident at all ?
Any follow up investigation by the authorities in the face of this damning cctv evidence?
What a totally loaded, false premise question. Are you capable of being unbiased? No. You're a died in the wool leftist. The most biased people on the planet.
You should be ashamed of yourself.
I'm taliking about people in general , and also trying to find * just one * republican that doesent agree with the "fix" theory
personally I think I'm better than average at being unbiased , but then everybody probably does.
If Trump ever does anything worthwhile I'll recognize that and give him the "credit where its due"
I regonise for instance that Trump won 2016 fair and square .
I dont start crying about cheating just because the result didnt go the way I'd have preferred.
It has definitely gotten worse since 2010s. People can't tolerate other peoples narratives far more in today's world.
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So far nobody has come forward from either side willing to stand up and say "I believe the party line is wrong on the issue of 2020 being rigged"
I am biased, but I am objective and have fair and logical judgement, which is what counts.
It tells us you are wasting everyone's time.
do you feel personally attacked in some way?
like I'm claiming that you specifically are peddling some sort of lie ?
The actual reality of wether the election was fixed is a binary yes or no .
and some peopel are right obviously
some [poeple are wrong .
some people appear to have let their party loyalty make that judgement for them rather than coming to their own copmnclusion
not you - you have "fair and logical judgement" , presumably you say "no fix" not because the democrat party line is that but becasue you have thought about it . You could still be wrong , that is not the point here
Anyone who believes the election was corrupt is wrong, but more than just wrong [ I explain that later ]. But more than that, they all know they are wrong - yet they still peddle this crap because they are trying to force, brainwash and intimidate the country - like the Nazis. This is a Right-Wing thug subgroup that is so stupid [ and I am not saying there are not just as stupid people on the Left ] that they should be ignored and even shunned by civilized Americans. Also, currently we have Left-wing thugs now demonstrating all over against what are divisive complicated wars and possible wars. Who benefits from this chaos and confusion? That would be the place to start to think about who or what can fix the election. Monolithic big corporations and dynasties.
[ Just to point out, your writing is terrible. Spelling whether as wether, and starting the second sentence with a lower case when I assume you know that sentences always begin capitalized. Almost impossible to follow, and if you really want people to discuss with - take the time to respect them in your own communcation. ]
But, to continue, the election issue is more nuanced. Let's say for the sake of argument, the election was fixed. In fact in some ways it is surely fixed when you conside the political parties and the electoral college and the plutocratic ownership of the media. Those are the big factors.
Whatever power that can fix an election on that scale is a power that is hidden and not going to be able to be understood or assailed by the likes of the average idiot American whose only information comes from that garbage media.
So, it doesn't matter if the election was stolen, because even if it was, we are not capable of doing what would need to be done to fix it. People are confused and distracted because we do not have a common base of understanding - and that is what is deliberately broken, or in Orwellian-speak, FIXED. Pun intended.
Additional test...
Are there ANY democrat voters here who think 2016 wasn't controlled by Russia ?
Are there ANY republican voters here who think 2016 was controlled by Russia?
"democrat voters here who think 2016 wasn't controlled by Russia ?"
Yes many I should imagine
me for one.
I'm just pointing out the absurdity of pointing fingers at election denial...when neither party can acknowledge their victories are all tainted.
shareWhats really the point for me isnt that some people are denying the validity of the election , or even wether the election was rigged,
Its that 100% of republicans have that opinion
How is that possible?
Dont you think thats a fascinating phenomena?
I dont think I've ever heard of that amount of people agreeing on anything
I never thought blaming Russia for HC losing was a good strategy. It sounded like sour grapes and like the Dems were trying to avoid responsibility. Was Russia involved in the 2016 election? Definitely. Did their influence operation change the outcome? Probably not. I think Trump was playing Hearts and shot the moon to win.
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