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The vanishing woman at the Christmas party in the beginning of the film


Anyone noticed that very early on in the film, within the first 5 minutes, there's a lady who vanishes at the Christmas party? Of all the analyses I've seen on this film I've never found anything that commented about this strange instance of a woman disappearing right before our very eyes anywhere. I've uploaded a clip of the scene here,
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Notice the couple standing behind Cruise and Kidman, the woman in red and the man with white hair. As they proceed towards the doorway into the other room, Kidman overtakes the couple then bam, the lady vanishes behind her. Or to be more specific, transforms into another woman all together. It goes without saying that this isn't a ''goof'', it's too specific. First of all she's the only one wearing red amongst people in black so she immediately stands out, Kubrick is drawing our attention to her. Also she's very beautiful, energetic and on cue enthusiastically conversing with the man with white hair. She's in focus and directed to do more than the other extras in the scene. But then in the next shot, it's a different woman all together. Older, wearing black, no charisma at all unlike the other woman, very dull.


So then, what is there to take away from this? It just adds another layer of mystery and surrealism to an already cryptic and enigmatic film. Eyes Wide Shut is already a film that's been over analyzed and taken apart from the inside out looking for clues about its hidden meanings, I mean you've seen the lengths fans can go to in searching for meanings in the documentary ''Room 237''. There's been explanations about Eyes Wide Shut ranging from what it appears at the surface to be, the story of a couple being pushed to the limits in their marriage by lust and loss of trust, to it being a film about pulling the curtain on the elite that controls the society that Kubrick was privy to revealing secrets that they say he was killed for. Maybe it's a little bit of both but where does vanishing ladies fit in there?


My take on it is that Eyes Wide Shut isn't a movie in the way we usually think of movies as. It's the pretence of a movie with big Hollywood actors and a suspenseful story but what it really is, is Kubrick yet again, at the end of his career, asserting his storytelling authority beyond conventions changing the form of cinema. Having a woman vanish right in front of the audience in plain view in the first 5 minutes without anyone noticing is Kubrick challenging us as film viewers. Are we really ready to have our eyes open? No matter how much analyses goes into it, we're never going to see what we're supposed to see if we go in with closed eyes, only what we'd like to see. Throwing away conventions in the first 5 of the minutes of the film is telling us the viewers to throw away all our preconceptions of what a film is and what a film can be. If the first 5 minutes of the film has been overlooked for this long, I can only imagine what really goes on in the rest of it.


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I've pointed this out before mate. I was the first on here to do so, I believe but I'm glad someone else found it too. The changing lady is one among many such uncanny examples. Stores on the streets change, objects appear and disappear etc.

Notice her red cloak?

Also notice the amount of old guys dancing with very young attractive women? Bill lives in a consumer Matrix. He's like Cypher - he rejects the truth and wants to get plugged back in. Kubrick's magic tricks go beyond the film itself and speak to the urges, the fears and desires we use to construct our version of reality. One version of reality will differ from another...



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Still it's a shame that hardly anyone else noticed these things about the film. I've noticed it a couple years back but after searching and not finding any discussions about this aspect of the film I decided to upload the video finally.
I noticed the number of old men with very young women as well.

You bring up a great point about Bill living in a consumer matrix. It's like we the audience are like Bill at the beginning of the film, it's why we don't see beyond the familiar, what we fear and desire constructs our reality seeing only what we choose to see. But by the end of the film, much like Bill, we are supposed to be completely disillusioned by the fantasy world we have constructed for ourselves. Bill has become so delusional that he doesn't seem to notice just how uninterested his wife is in their relationship anymore and when she confesses the truth to him it hits him like a ton of bricks, when it really shouldn't. Even in that scene when she says she's going to the bathroom, unless it happens off camera while Bill is talking to Nick, she just goes straight to the bar, as if to just get away from Bill.

One of the best scenes where reality really shines through the fantasy is with Domino. When Bill first meets her, it's like a fairy tale, so romantic and dream like. Then in the second instance, it's like ''Domino is HIV positive'', immediately showing the ugly reality covered by the unreal fantasy that so many live inside on a day to day basis.



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Almost every scene has a 'turning point' or reversal of initial expectations. A sobering moment.

The film is a classic mystery in many ways, but ala Blow Up from Antonioni, there are no easy objective answers. And it really requires a few viewings because there is so much going on.

Some might dismiss these things as mistakes...but seriously, look at the attention paid to that little sequence. The arm on the shoulder from white haired Jan Harlan looking man, the red cloak disappearing, a new woman appears..just as Alice begins hitting the sauce. Drugs, among other things, change reality. Also worth mentioning that on Bill's journey, he is coming down from being high. It probably happens pretty quickly after the argument with Alice and seeing the dead patient right after, but it also serves as a metaphor for Bill's notions of elitism and 'high culture' so to speak.



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Yeah it's way too detailed to be any mistake. The woman in red is given specific directions, way more detailed than the other extras. Even before she disappears she looks back once, as if to draw our attention to her once more before it happens. And then right after that she's gone.

Another thing I've noticed is details in the sound mixing and the lighting. There's instances of police sirens, like in the first scene when we see the exterior of Bill's apartment right before we see him looking out the window. Then the sound of cars on the street can be heard while Alice is getting the pot from the cupboard in their bathroom. As if to suggest they're up in their ivory tower completely oblivious to the real world right outside their windows.

And as for the lighting, there's this very stark blue lighting that supposed to be darkness that contrasts sharply with the light. For instance in the doorway behind Alice here http://67.media.tumblr.com/6d697629fe0de0845bab20934ce90a35/tumblr_nrgf19AsfQ1r4jsw7o1_500.jpg And in the beginning scene as they're leaving the apartment the darkness almost seems to creep out into the room, invading the light somehow. And when Bill takes out the light in his bedroom and shuts the door, the scene lingers for few seconds in the dark empty room, it's a bit creepy. It's like they're really living in a darkness and all this light of the glitter and glamour is just an illusion, it isn't real.




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Every scene in the film, even every shot, manifests some uncanny anomaly (as with Kubrick's previous 'The Shining'), and these are expressed via the whole range of aural-visual representation: visually, aurally, textually, texturally, verbally, symbolically.

Every shot in the film is uncannily composed, and by multiple means, from the film's cinematography directly emulating modernist painting (via underexposing by two full stops and then push-developing by two stops, unique for a feature film, desaturating all colours, rendering everything like a van Gogh painting, including the use of complementary colour pairs: visual Expressionism) to 'impossible' Escheresque geometries and architectures, to recursive repetitions, to object disappearances and reappearances.

Let's look at a range of examples of all of this in the film:

You mention the sudden disappearance of the woman wearing a red cloak at Ziegler's party. Yes, and this is later 'matched' by the sudden appearance of a woman in blue later in the film: when Bill enters Gillespie's Cafe, a woman in blue not there a moment earlier, is suddenly sitting over at the counter to the right. Equally intriguing is that the waitress, in a pink blouse, that Bill speaks to in this cafe looks identical to the woman in the wine-red cloak who disappears at Ziegler's party: same hair, height, appearance, manner. Could she be the same woman? There are MANY such disappearances/reappearances in the film, an inherent part of the film's aesthetic design and form. Another example of such an uncanny reversal occurs in both Ziegler's bathroom and the Harford's bedroom: the telephone on the table beside where Mandy is sitting in Ziegler's bathroom suddenly disappears and is replaced by drug-related paraphernalia. Later, in the Harford's bedroom during the pot-smoking scene, a telephone suddenly appears on their bedside table beside the stash of pot (and notice too how the shower/bath curtain, infused with lunar blue light, repeatedly 'moves' during this scene.)

Entire streets are mysteriously reconfigured, especially the one that features most prominently in the film, the one that Bill keeps magnetically returning to, the street where Milich's Rainbow costume rental store is located. Not only is Milich's store architecturally impossible, but when Bill returns to it, the interior has suddenly been entirely rearranged. And, later in the film this store will be transformed into Sharky's Cafe, where Bill reads the newspaper, while the pictures on the wall behind him magically transform.

The film quite literally has hundreds of these aesthetic-structural anomalies, but all of them are modes of cinematic expressionism that directly connect to and embody the film's core thematic preoccupations as well as reinforcing the real of the world disclosed by the film.

More significant examples to follow, including how they all interconnect.

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Wow I haven't noticed most of these, really makes me want to watch this film with a much closer eye again. So many anomalies. The only thing I've noticed when recently watching a few scenes is a vandalized post box that appears outside the hotel where Nick Nightingale stayed that reappears shortly after outside the Over The Rainbow costume parlor.





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The numerous anomalies - whether manifesting as inconsistencies, ellipses, discontinuities, twistings, transformations, reversals, doubling, or enigmatic peculiarities - in the film traverse the entire narrative (as they also do in The Shining) from the very first scene to the final one, and are a constitutive part of the film's narrative structure, of how it generates affects and meanings in the viewer, primarily at the unconscious level, as these anomalies largely go unnoticed by viewers even after seeing the film a number of times (looking but failing to see: 'eyes wide shut').

Take, for example, the film's first scenes: the transition between Alice Harford undressing in the dressing area of the bedroom and Bill Harford in the same room looking out the window.

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The numerous anomalies - whether manifesting as inconsistencies, ellipses, discontinuities, twistings, transformations, reversals, doubling, or enigmatic peculiarities - in the film traverse the entire narrative (as they also do in The Shining) from the very first scene to the final one, and are a constitutive part of the film's narrative structure, of how it generates affects and meanings in the viewer, primarily at the unconscious level, as these anomalies largely go unnoticed by viewers even after seeing the film a number of times (looking but failing to see: 'eyes wide shut').

Take, for example, the film's first scenes: the transition between Alice Harford undressing in the dressing area of the bedroom and Bill Harford in the same room looking out the window. Notice how everything in this room has changed: the lamp has disappeared, there's now a mat on the carpet, the mirrored wardrobe doors to the left are a different design, now going all the way down to the floor, and so on. From a bright, illuminated scene of undressing, uncovering, unmasking, to a dark, unlit scene of dressing, covering, masking, from the fantasmatic-real to the symbolic-social, or from the sublime to the everyday banal, from 'fantasy' to 'reality', or from feminine to masculine, the fundamental social antagonism. Even the cutaway shot between these two scenes, to a visage, a street view looking down Central Park West (an actual location shot) contains what will later be revealed as an uncanny anomaly: we see this very same street view a few nights later in the film's diegesis, but what is odd is that over on the left of the screen, the frame, we see the very same guy still sitting on a street bench, as if to imply that although things change (as Milich disturbingly asserts in relation to his mistreatment of his young daughter) some things remain the same, persist, always return to their place (the Real).

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Perhaps some of the most absurd - ridiculous, crazy, hilarious, extreme - disappearances/reappearances and movements/repositionings, occur during the pool-room scene, the meeting between Bill Harford and Victor Ziegler. Numerous items strangely move, disappear, reappear, during this revelatory exchange between Harford and Ziegler.

The craziest item is a piece of furniture, a small table beside one of the beige and pink-upholstered chairs, the one nearest the door. This table disappears and reappears some FIVE TIMES during this scene, the event always coinciding with some disturbing revelation by Ziegler. For instance, when Ziegler tells Bill that he had him followed, and Bill responds with surprise, the table suddenly disappears, but then suddenly reappears soon thereafter. And this 'magical' absurdity repeats some five times ... Then we also notice other sudden impossible changes: the papers on the coffee table where Bill sits down all disappear; the chair in which Ziegler sits down had earlier moved about mysteriously; and when Ziegler finally becomes angry, telling Bill that he's been 'jerking himself off', the pool balls and the chalk suddenly move, before returning to their earlier positions. Ziegler had earlier stated to Bill that he was "just knocking some balls around", but we now realise Ziegler's position as an agent of Power, and his connection to the Somerton power elite, that it is people whose lives he is 'knocking about', including Nicks Nightingale, Amanda Curran/Mysterious Woman, and Bill, all ultimately enslaved to the Zieglers of the world, who themselves are the ultimate slaves to the dominant, hegemonic power and ideology.

It is like these bizarre changes or anomalies are external material manifestations of the character's emotional, perceptual, affective, or ontological transformations, tokens of a psychological attitude or change.

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That was a pretty great read! A very in depth analysis and offers great insight. This film really is a one of a kind work. Sure there are other similar great works out there by auteurs the likes of Fellini and Bergman or Lynch. But Kubrick had a power and an influence unlike them. I mean there were so many who went to see this picture, without knowing who Kubrick was, just based on the star power he was able to pull and they certainly walked away from it with way more than they bargained for, whether they realized it or not.






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It is like these bizarre changes or anomalies are external material manifestations of the character's emotional, perceptual, affective, or ontological transformations, tokens of a psychological attitude or change.


Or maybe they're just continuity errors.






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I don't think that Kubrick is incapable of continuity errors, they're bound to pop up throughout his films and even this film. Hell even the disappearing chair in The Shinning I can accept can be a continuity error, although it works so well in that film it may very well be intentional. However this particular scene in Eyes Wide Shut just can't be, it's too well orchestrated.






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You know, I'm more willing to buy the continuity errors in The Shining, as it's a film that deals with spectral apparitions. The Overlook, for lack of a better expression, is an entity in itself, an accursed labyrinth steeped in its own history of bloodshed and murder; so you'll understand when I'm more skeptical in the case of Eyes Wide Shut, although I love the film. I can even give you the benefit of the doubt with regard to the vanishing woman, but after a certain point you have to question if there's a defensible purpose behind the errors.







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Well fair enough. In this particular ''error'', I can't think of any justification plot wise. However to me it makes perfect sense that Kubrick would do this as a gesture to simply beg the audience, ''just look a bit closer''. I mean it happens within the very first 5 minutes. Even earlier than that when Bill and Alice are still at the apartment, she tells him ''You're not even looking'' when she's asking him how she looks. In this film Kubrick shows us a world that plays tricks on you, making you think something is real when it's not or that something isn't real when it in fact is. So it's apt that his film counters these tricks with some of his own. Does that mean that to understand this film we have to scan every corner of the frame? I don't think so. However I do think that it's such a rich film that upon repeated viewings it reveals many different things. It's a film with a story rather than a plot. It's like what Scorsese says about Hitchcock's The Wrong Man being a film with a story and Rebecca being a plot.
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Well yes, the hundreds of ostensible discrepancies do not directly relate to the plot, to the surface-level story, to the explicit narrative content of the film, but to the film's FORM, to how it is constructed to generate its affects and meanings, its underlying aesthetic framework, it's narrative structure. For it is this that distinguishes art from mere craft, the artist from the technician. Kubrick was an Expressionist, and most of his films, particularly the later ones, embody this approach to art and culture, this modernist movement in aesthetics.

Coincidentally, we've been discussing the central structural feature in his films, his fundamental aesthetic strategy (the 'double reversal') on another forum: HTTP://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062622/board/thread/262898576

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That 'double reversal' structure is quite intriguing. I was always interested in the unusual way Full Metal Jacket's story unfolded.




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What's interesting about Full Metal Jacket is, firstly, the average viewers misperception of the film as having two Acts or parts, the boot camp part and the Vietnam part, when in actuality it has three Acts, the Vietnam section being divided into the whole sequence between the two prostitute scenes and the final Act, the confrontation with the sniper.

But double reversals are everywhere portrayed in the film. Let's just look at the 'Head' scene at the end of boot camp.

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Yeah to me it seemed clear it was two acts, but the Sniper scene can really be the third come to think of it.


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The moving mannequins in Milich's costume store are a howl, like a game of musical chairs. Even funnier is the wobbly table that Bill and Nick are sitting at in the Sonata Cafe. It only starts wobbling when Nick is trying to write the password on a paper napkin. Thereafter, the table becomes the wobbliest table ever. Wobble, wobble, wobble!

Doesn't all the wobbliness reflect, indirectly, the emotional and psychological states of Nick and Bill? Nick's anxiety about giving Bill details about going to Somerton, and Bill's crazy eagerness to gatecrash the 'party'? Same with all the other anomalies, each indirectly 'commenting' on, correlating with, and bringing out the emotions, desires, and anxieties, of the characters, the various protagonists/antagonists? Like the headline in the newspaper that Bill buys, 'Lucky to be Alive', reflecting Bill's own situation at that moment, avoiding both being whacked by the Somerton people and having sex with a woman, Domino, who is HIV-positive.

I wonder why Milich's entire store suddenly 'disappears', replaced by Sharky's cafe?

Although there's countless of these discrepancies in the film, including all the disappearances and reappearances, only one disappearance/reappearance directly relates to the story, and that is Bill's mask.

Bill should have asked Ziegler, "By the way, Victor, what mask were you wearing at Somerton?"

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But doesn't Red Cloak's red cloak, a depraved symbol of his power, his patriarchal hegemony over the subjugated sex objects at Somerton's capitalist, neo-liberal elite, foreshadow Mandy's forthcoming sacrifice, which is a double reversal of Bill's putative initiation, his admission into a corrupt, domineering plutocracy? Upon being questioned by Red Cloak, Bill glances at the red-velvet-Venetian carpet, flubbing his lines, rooted to the spot in humiliation tinged with horror, a sight that mirrors Ziegler's attempt, toward the closing scenes, to fudge all that had transpired at Somerton.

Another reversal is Bill, the narcissistic embodiment of the male libido, now finding himself in a subservient role before Red Cloak, finally having to face (mask?) the repressed Real, confront it, conform to it, for he can no longer keep his 'eyes wide shut.'






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Red Cloak embodies a fantasmatic dildo.

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Isn't this just like responding to the Unknown, the External, as something to be dismissed, excluded, repressed, in order to sustain one's solipsistic fantasy world as if it were the 'true reality'?

Let's just dismiss what we are witnessing on the screen as an 'error' because it doesn't fit with our the fantasy formations we confuse with reality, like the HAL 9000 computer in '2001' dismissing and deflecting all his failings and shortcomings to 'human error'.

It is viewer naivety about cinema, art, and film form, that dismisses what they don't understand as 'continuity error', afraid to engage with or open themselves to the External, the Outside, retreating back into their ego-centric fantasy bubble, while insisting that a filmmaker like Kubrick was just an incompetent, drunken idiot who couldn't string two pieces of film strip together, was the world's most unqualified, impotent, incompetent filmmaker, whereas they are a beacon of all knowledge and wisdom. This is an exemplification of the postmodern condition: today's idiot subject insists that their ignorance about the world is 'proof' of their 'knowledge' of it!

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Quite. There is infinite wisdom in continuity errors. I have finally accepted the External, the Real, acknowledged it, avowed it, no longer Overlooking it or keeping my eyes wide shut. Indeed, 'I have been corrected'. (Mr. Torrance, you have always been the postmodern idiot!)






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Thanks for posting the clip; I never would've remembered it otherwise. IMHO, it looks like a continuity error but who knows.

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To really get the full effect of the scene you should see it in the film cause the couple appear during the entire dance scene before the clip I posted which starts just as they stop dancing and are dispersing. So it's not just some random couple that's just walking by as one might think from just that clip alone.

I guess what I'm trying to point out is how strange it is to keep the woman in red in the continuity for the entire scene only to drop her at the last second but still keep the white haired man she was dancing and conversing with the entire time. I mean, if it's an error how can it have happened? Did the extra playing the woman drop out abruptly from the production. If that's the case then the scene could have been re shot to show Kidman alone without background extras. I mean the man in white hair is still there and still carrying on the conversation but now with a different woman all together now in a black dress. Could it be that they forgot who he was paired with? It's the transition that gives it away, everything is too up close and personal.




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So we are dealing with a woman who vanishes from the story. Hey, isn't that something we've heard before (or after - at the end of the story) ? Yeah, subliminal information. Everywhere. Wether you like to call them "double reversals" or "skewed symmetry" does not matter. David Lynch uses them all the time. Of course, we all know he's a painter too.

Anyway, Bill reads about this devastating news of some lost girl in the newspaper; "Lucky to be alive." At the end of the line he even almost tried to kiss this dead "patient," didn't he? Her eyes were wide shut, indeed.




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You're obviously correct but another thing to notice is the reversal in orientation: before Kidman overtakes the couple, the lady in red walks to the right of the hoary-haired man, who has draped his hand over her dress. When the POV shifts to Kidman facing the camera a few seconds later, something happens: the couple has swapped places! The homely lady in unrelieved black is now seen where the man was just prior to egress.

It also befuddles me how Kidman was unexpectedly able to generate the requisite burst of acceleration to zoom ahead of the couple, this same couple she was trailing not far behind moments earlier. This anomaly, this improbability of physics is, no doubt, an inextricable part of the film's oneiric aesthetic/strategy, its expressionist cinematic fabric.





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The Emperor is, in fact, not wearing any clothes: no garb, without rig, sans cloak, for he is naked, oblivious and, above all, fallible, but we continue to deny the Real, repress it, overlook it, keep our eyes wide shut, to continue to live outside the Real, within a miasma of delusion, spinning out the Imaginary.







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Pointing out that the emperor is naked is naivety at its purest, for it is simply stating what everyone already knows, especially the emperor.

The child in Hans Christian Andersen's fable "The Emperor's New Clothes" who shouts out that that the emperor is not wearing any clothes is naive because he's unaware that everyone is already aware of this. The child is naive because he has not yet learned how to distinguish between simple empirical reality and the symbolic realm. Everyone is naked under their clothes, including the emperor. The child is a naive empiricist who interprets everything in simple, literal, direct terms, oblivious to the symbolic roles and fictions that actually structure his entire reality and how he perceives it, how he experiences it.

Everyone knows that the emperor is always empirically naked, but they act as if he isn't naked because he occupies the symbolic position, the title, the name, the public role of "emperor". Everyone wears a mask, a symbolic role/semblance in their everyday appearance, like Bill Harford desperately clinging to his illusory identity as a "doctor" throughout "Eyes Wide Shut". Another symbolic fiction, a symbolic role, a semblance, a fake, a "charade". Identity, persona, ego, self is always a fiction, a fetishistic illusion devoid of any substantial kernel, only a void, nothing.

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But isn't that precisely why the child chooses to call out as he sees? Because he isn't slave to a social standing, because he hasn't entered that realm? The child may be naive but that's exactly what makes him truthful and hence empirically correct.

Instead of questioning the empirical and symbolic reality, should we defer to socio-symbolic authority and let the Emperors, Zieglers and Red Cloaks of the world do as they please? You're acting the way Bill does toward the end, repressing the truth, denying it, choosing to live a lie instead.

If anything, the story reinforces the strength of empirical observation.




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The child is completely blind to the wider social reality, to the distinction between words and things, between the symbolic and the mere empirical, ie like a psychotic who takes everything in totally literal terms, completely oblivious to the symbolic fictions and unconscious fantasies that frame and mediate his reality, his world. For instance, a sociopathic lunatic has just been elected President of the US, as everyone who isn't an idiot well knows, but because this empirical bigot and exploiter will be occupying that office, that symbolic role, everyone will formally treat him as President, will 'respect' the office holder, the individual temporarily occupying that symbolic position, a position in a structure, not in his empirical actuality as a grotesque and corrupt creep.****

The child in the fable is a much bigger slave to the social realm, but a much smaller, insular, detached realm, that of his immediate family, the myopic Oedipal relations, with all its rigid symbolic inscriptions ("Daddy", "Mommy", "Me", etc), gender enactments, and incessant social conditioning.

At the other extreme is the moronic subject - like Bill Harford - who completely ignores, disavows, empirical reality, totally defers to the symbolic, to its stand-ins, representatives, to the "agents" of the social-symbolic big Other. Bill is such a moron: he ultimately accepts the "word", ie the lies, of the Zieglers and the Milichs, believes what they want him to believe while disavowing the truth, ignoring it. Bill over-identifies with the symbolic, as with his assertion, "Once a doctor, always a doctor", as if such a role was intrinsic, eternal (like Jack Torrance having "always been the caretaker" in The Shining).
Ironically, those who in knee-jerk fashion dismiss the many hundreds of anomalies in Kubrick's films as just "errors" are victims of the same confusion, for they presuppose that films must confirm to a rigid, fixed, unchanging form, submit to a simple narrative structure and aesthetic mode, aggressively denying, repressing what doesn't fit that traditional, conservative, simple narrative form as "a mistake".

Empirical observation is MEDIATED by such biases, ie by symbolic identifications, by fantasies, that is, by ideology. The film isn't reinforcing the "strength of empirical observation". It is exposing such a naive attitude, revealing how Power and ideology enslaves irrespective of "empirical observation", conditions people into ignoring, dismissing, the truth and substituting lies and excuses, like Ziegler trivializing everything he has been doing - bashing people up, following and intimidating people, drugging, raping, murdering - ultimately getting Bill to accept his lies, accept that everything that happened was of no importance, that nothing "really" happened ...

****Or consider a further example of someone - child or adult - who screams out that the guy dressed up as Santa Claus in the shopping mall at Christmas is "just a guy dressed up as Santa Claus", ie is "naked" under his costume, is a "fraud".

Here we're dealing with someone who is not only naive in his empiricist idiocy, but who is doubly deluded. First, he is saying something that everyone - child or adult - already knows. So why is he shouting it out at everyone? Because he doesn't know this, doesn't know that everyone already knows this, knows this simple, obvious fact. He is a fool. But more than this, he assumes, believes, that there is a 'real" Santa Claus somewhere (a guy who isn't just dressed up as, playing the role of Santa Claus, but is inherently Santa Claus), an eternal, magical, divine entity who literally performs impossible magical feats. A madman.

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But if there are hundreds of anomalies, isn't it a statistical probability that some of them might be unintentional? I mean, someone has to play the devil's advocate.





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Undoubtedly some were not intentional. Conversely, some obviously were.



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****Or consider a further example of someone - child or adult - who screams out that the guy dressed up as Santa Claus in the shopping mall at Christmas is "just a guy dressed up as Santa Claus", ie is "naked" under his costume, is a "fraud".

Here we're dealing with someone who is not only naive in his empiricist idiocy, but who is doubly deluded. First, he is saying something that everyone - child or adult - already knows. So why is he shouting it out at everyone? Because he doesn't know this, doesn't know that everyone already knows this, knows this simple, obvious fact. He is a fool. But more than this, he assumes, believes, that there is a 'real" Santa Claus somewhere (a guy who isn't just dressed up as, playing the role of Santa Claus, but is inherently Santa Claus), an eternal, magical, divine entity who literally performs impossible magical feats. A madman.

Faulty analogy. In the story, the people don't point out the obvious because they don't want to appear incompetent. The child doesn't fear that and hence calls the Emperor out on his *beep* The two contexts are different.





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a sociopathic lunatic has just been elected President of the US, as everyone who isn't an idiot well knows


Mask off moment for the Marxist gobshite in here.

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Given Alice's frustrations in her marriage and her official social-symbolic reality, married to a guy who smugly just takes her for granted as a passified, domesticated 'trophy' wife (Bill is looking at himself in the mirror when responding to Alice's question earlier in the bathroom, "How do I look?"), the scene with the suddenly 'disappearing' woman in red coincides with a transition in Alice's temperament, in her "symbolic space" and libido: she is temporarily 'escaping' from Bill and her somewhat claustrophobic formal social milieu, quickly knocking back a glass of champagne in one quick gulp, seeking abandon, seeking the real of desire, some outlet for her repressed desires in the context of a non-repressive, unfulfilling conjugal-marital domesticated reality. In short, the transition from the banal everyday 'reality' into its crucial support in 'fantasy', in escape and hidden transgressions, into Desire. So many of the film's other sudden anomalies occur during a character's reality-to-fantasy transition, or vice versa, or between repression (reality, the symbolic order) and the repressed (desire, libido, the transgressive, the prohibited, the hidden).

The film is portraying how what we take for quotidian 'reality' is actually entirely structured by a conflict between unconscious fantasies (desires and drives, manifesting as symptoms) and symbolic fictions, that 'reality' is a constructed simulation, an acted-out fiction, a staged 'fake', is what repression is (rules, regulations, language, identities, the symbolic domain), and only emerges because something is repressed, namely the void of the Real which we then cover over, conceal with Fantasy, the fantasmatic-real, that determines what we desire. The film is a fiction that takes us out of reality to reveal the fiction that is 'reality' itself, as it is only by means of fiction that we can glimpse the real, glimpse however tentatively the truth about ourselves that we repress in our everyday life world, our quotidian reality, the truths that we really believe about ourselves but are unaware of. Glimpse the shattering, traumatic, sublime real.

It artistic mode, its conjuring form, is that of modernist Expressionism, narratively Kafkaesque, geometrically Escheresque, visually embodying many leading Expressionist painters and photographers, from van Gogh, Schiele, Ernst, Bacon, to Helmet Newton, while articulating core psychoanalytic and metaphysical insights about the nature of reality, fantasy, subjectivity, identity, sexuality, politics, and the real.

The film is also very carefully and systematically colour coded, it's visual colour textures directly interconnecting with its social and sexual relations, with its libidinal and socio-political economies, it's portrayal of the structures and functioning of Power. The spectrum of light (visual as well as political and libidinal) is central to the film's aesthetics, with not only all the references to Rainbows and Christmas trees (with their rainbows of colour), to multi-coloured pool balls, with their metaphorical and affective meanings, but also to the entire detailed compositions of colour in a scene or shot.

Red = Symbolic authority, master signifier, power, basis of reality/symbolic order, dominance (a 'domino' is a hooded cloak with a mask, originating from medieval times), control, and the 'phallic'. It covers over the void, the secret that there isn't any, just the incomprehensible abyss of the impossible Real, of nothing.

Blue: Libido, desire, sexuality, but also all that is repressed, forbidden, prohibited, transgressive. This is why, for example, we see that Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom was wearing a blue dress, women wearing clothes seen copulating at Somerton have blue dresses, and so on.

Purple/magenta (red + blue): Decay and death, but not just empirical death, but also SYMBOLIC death, the collapse of reality, of subjectivity, of subjective destitution, as happens Bill when he sees the mask on the now-purple bed sheets. Domino was wearing purple (gets HIV), the dead senator was lying under magenta sheets.

Black: morality, commitment, marriage, duty, formal symbolic order , certainty, security, rigidity, repression, submission, controlled, enslaved (and, as Alice says, 'whatever the f--- else!'). Alice wearing a black dress, not because she's a widow, but 'because I'm married!'.

Green: both organic nature (all the plants and trees we see, including Christmas trees) but also non-organic nature/culture (store canopy/awnings, lamps).

This is not only the case for the colour of character"s clothes, but also for other items and objects throughout the film. For instance, all the females with whom Bill has an emotional, sexual, or familial relation are 'strawberry-blonde' or red-haired (Alice, Helena, Domino, Sally, Marion, the models, Milich's daughter, Amanda Curran, and so on), while others with whom his relation is formal or professional are black or brown-haired.

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Now, did you or didn't you explain why Kubrick orchestrated this subliminal and mind boggling vanishing woman event?

Anyways more questions pop up via this "expressionistic and double reversals approach" from this painting:

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Conspiracies? Here is another one.
Was Amanda Curran Dr. William Harford's patient? Did Dr. William Harford find out that she was pregnant? Is there a hidden story which tells that Ziegler impregnated Amanda Curran and could that be the "real" reason why Ziegler ordered a hit?


...Credo quia absurdum...

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As already stated, the hundreds of anomalies are part of the film's aesthetic form, its narrative structure. That is to say, they are not to be interpreted in direct, literal terms, as immediate "empirical" events in the film's story, narrative, or diegesis. To do so is to miss the whole point, to already be lost, like someone misinterpreting the ghosts in The Shining in literal terms as actual empirical entities instead of as fantasmatic spectres. Art isn't about the mere imitation of dumb facticity, of empirical mimisis, of mere technical 'photocopying' of everyday reality (today's anti-art postmodern 'realist' obsession, utterly dreary, repressive, and desublimating), but of interrupting it, breaking with it, revealing that there is more to the world than just the world itself, that there is the sublime dimension, that which exceeds ordinary reality.

The painting of the pregnant woman in Ziegler's bathroom is in fact by Kubrick's wife Christiane (it was one in a series of three), whose other paintings, along with those of her daughter, Katharina, cover the walls of the Harford's apartment, is an ironic-satirical indirect 'commentary', an objective correlative, to what is happening during this scene. The film has numerous such objects, items, artefacts in its scenes that are an ironic commentary or critique on the scene itself, like the book about Lord Longford on the dressing table under the mirror during the intimate scene between Bill and Alice - Longford investigated and published the first major study of the degrading effects on women of pornography and prostitution back in the 1970s. The painting in the bathroom isn't about Mandy being 'pregnant', but far from it; it starkly contrasts with what has happened, of her being drugged and sexually abused by a sexual predator, by Ziegler, who in turn uses and manipulates Bill in his formal symbolic role as Doctor to distance himself from what he has just done, to keep his hidden obscene transgressions 'hidden', away from the public gaze and all accountability (Ziegler to Bill: "This is just between us"), so that he can continue engaging in such transgressions in the future, without affecting official social reality, but simply sustaining it. Bill is already implicated, already colluding with and conforming to Ziegler/Somerton's world and ideology.

Yes, Christiane's paintings are largely neo-postimpressionistic and and figuratively (photo-realistically) Expressionistic. It's as if the film includes a brief 'history of art' in the background, but still relating it all to what is happening in the film, and to its thematic preoccupations. For example:

1: 18th century late-Baroque and Rococo paintings, furniture in the bedroom of the dead senator and father of Marion. There's a famous painting on the wall by Canaletto, of Venice (in a film with numerous references to Italy), a painting that is worth multi-millions. This room reminds us of the bedroom scene at the end of '2001', which was also Rococo, an art form that ended with the French Revolution in 1789. Except there's no mysterious monolith appearing in this world, only symbolic deadlocks and anxieties.

2: The Pre-Raphaelite paintings, 19th century, in Sharky's cafe, all of women, paintings associated with female depression, suicide, and death (accompanied by Mozart's Requiem, 'mass for the dead'), as Bill reads about Mandy's fate.

3: The abstract modern paintings - minimalist, cubist, expressionist - on the walls of the hospital as Bill returns from seeing Amanda Curran in the morgue and is phoned by Ziegler, their very abstractness perhaps reflecting Bill's growing confusion, his uncomprehending bewilderment about all that has been happening and is happening, all his previously unexamined assumptions about reality now being undermined, collapsing.

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'' The feel of the experience is the important thing, not the ability to verbalize or analyze it.'' - Stanley Kubrick






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So you subscribe to the demands of the Somerton elite, to "Give up your enquiries"??

In practice, Kubrick actually examined his own films in considerable detail, as for instance his lengthy published interviews and writings with, among others, Michel Cimont, indicate (you can read a number of them online at "The Kubrick Site"). Kubrick simply didn't want to restrict responses to or interpretations of his film by over-identifying, pigeon-holing, the films, with a rigid signification, because it would be totally absurd, a cultural travesty, for any artist to dictate how their cultural productions should be examined or interpreted. They are often clueless about such matters.

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Well no I'm not saying to not inquire into the film. Just maybe we should take into consideration the quote by the artist behind the work when interpreting said work.




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No, that is precisely what we must not do, that "maybe" we should obey the ideology of the Somerton crowd, the power elite, to "maybe" "give up your enquiries".

Enquiry, examination, analysis, critique, far from undermining our appreciation, understanding, enjoyment, of a cultural production or artefact, serves to enrich and enhance that understanding, and the relation is reciprocal: often, it is informed, insightful commentary on a cultural work - novel, music, film, sculpture, painting, building, etc - that transpires to be more interesting than the work itself, because via the commentary and critique it brings out an entirely new awareness, not only of the work itself, but of the wider world and our position in it.

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Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don't mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. This one poster, sir, he didn't care for Eyes Wide Shut at first. He actually accused the film of having continuity errors, and tried to act like a beacon of knowledge and wisdom. But you "corrected" him sir. And when others try to prevent you from doing your duty, you "correct" them.




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Lulz. Thanks Piccolo.

There's nothing he looks forward to with a greater pleasure.



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Is the name 'countdown-to-zero' a reference to his deteriorating IQ?






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There is no vanishing lady, clearly an editing mistake, you are just a dumb conspiracy theorist.

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Or it could be as simple as the Extra roamed off somewhere and they couldn't find her OR she was on the toilet when it was time to roll and shamefully kept quiet and tightened her sphincter for dear life, as not to be outed. So the Assistant Director had to act fast, saw the woman in black and said "Hey, you! You're his date now." and the rest is history.

Kubrick's my guy till the casket drops (no pun intended), but not every single detail in a film is deliberate; even for auteur's like him.

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Please. It is deliberate - look at the way it is edited.

People are swapping partners all through the opening party scene. Before you dismiss something as an error - look closer.

I don't doubt there are errors in the film, any and all films - but this one instance is not an error. The magic RED CLOAK confirms this.



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That’s the most plausible explanation, or maybe the two shots were on different days. We all know how Kubrick does endless takes, you think the extras stick around for weeks on end to accommodate his perfectionism? They’ve got lives and they’re paid dirt.

The stars stay the same but it’s perfectly plausible that there’s a fair bit of churn with the extras, and I’m sure props don’t stay in the same place after months of retakes.

The endless elaborate justifications for these continuity errors say far more about the ‘theorists’ than Kubrick.

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It goes without saying that this isn't a ''goof''

No it doesn’t. It’s just a continuity error. It’s as meaningful as Pauly’s growing/shrinking cigarette in Goodfellas.

Kubrick is a perfectionist but his films are prone to pathological overanalysis, as we saw in Room 237. Be careful not to become one of those crazies.

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