I'm kinda glad they're arresting and taking the students away - Politics Discussion

Some were targeting jewish students. You dont see a problem with that?

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It is quite interesting, isn't it? There were actually pro-Israel demonstrators at most of those protests, and they were usually the ones shouting anti-semitic languages while waving Israeli flags, and give police an excuse to move in and suppress the students supporting Palestine.

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

Yes, I saw that one in NY where they attacked at night. Then I saw another from a different state attack the opposite. Instigators everywhere.

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[–] parkerbot (5713) 15 days ago

The students didn't cancel free speech - the media outlets at the behest of the government did.

You think some poor student tells Mark Zuckerhamburlger and his billionaire buddies what to do?

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

It is kind of interesting to see how much Jewish lobbies have control over US media and politicians, isn't it?

This is not like Vietnam War protests, which were violently suppressed. This is the police suppression of student protests on behalf of another government.

Some of the police beatings of those students and professors were quite disturbing.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

I just came across this in research on the topic: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/us-house-passes-controversial-bill-that-expands-definition-of-anti-semitism

"US House passes controversial bill that expands definition of anti-Semitism", which means any statement against the state of Israel is now considered anti-Semitism thus against the law.

It means you are free to make anti-US statements, but not anti-Israel statements, in US.

Kind of funny, isn't it?

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

You never seen those videos of students cancelling people invited to speak on campuses?

https://youtu.be/orzuClSpGCc

There are numerous instances of this where people are invited to speak on campus and they cancel them.

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[–] blue1981 (6584) 15 days ago

These same protestors were likely rioting and burning down cities four years ago during the Summer of Love so I have no sympathy for them.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

Is there a reference or link to the events you mentioned?

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[–] blue1981 (6584) 15 days ago

Its just my opinion and I'm guessing these protests will likely get worse once the summer is here.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

These same protestors were likely rioting and burning down cities four years ago during the Summer of Love

I was referring to the statement you made above.

You are not talking about "Summer of Love" in 1967, are you?

At least according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_of_Love it is a hippy movement and was quite peaceful.

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[–] B1cKsurN (15043) 15 days ago

I know what he is talking about... do you really not know, or are you being purposefully obtuse?

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

I am not American, so I can only get the information about this on web, so could you provide a reference?

If they were burning down cities, it has to be on the news. And I would be very surprised this indeed happened in US four years ago and I did not hear anything about it.

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[–] Toomer (26) 15 days ago

Google the black lives matter/george floyd riots in the summer of 2020.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

But they were not students, were they? At least majority of them were not, it was not a student movement.

If you read the article: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/12/31/2020-the-year-black-lives-matter-shook-the-world

There was not even one word about students.

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[–] Toomer (26) 15 days ago

I would definitely say that the majority of them were young people, lots of students were involved of all ages.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

Yeah, I read an article about a white high school student joined in the BLM protests, because of his skin colour they welcomed him with open arms and put him in the front, and he took a lot of photos and put them on his facebook page, used it as a part of his resume and got into Harvard. After that he left the movement.

So I think there were definitely students, but other than people like the one I mentioned, I assume majority of them were black, and at least from the reports I was reading most of the protestors were average people instead of students.

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

I agree since the shit state they left the campus in after they were cleared out.

https://youtu.be/ZmBk3T935CI

All this graffiti everywhere similar to ANTIFA-like setting. Reminiscent of CHAZ on the Summer of Love.

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[–] B1cKsurN (15043) 15 days ago

Almost all the people they have arrested aren't even students.... they are paid agitators, as per usual with their ilk.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

Who is paying them? It looked like happening in a lot of universities and hundreds of students and professors were arrested, at least according to the US media they were students, and the nationwide movement was organised by student organisations.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hundreds-palestinian-protesters-arrested-campuses-universities-crack-e-rcna149705

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[–] B1cKsurN (15043) 14 days ago

The money starts with George Soros, and filters it's way down... It's a club, and you aren't in it.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

You do know Soros is Jewish, right?

Not just entertainment industry, Jewish people are also quite dominant in financial industry.

Goldman Sachs is founded by Jewish. Henry Paulson, who was CEO and later the treasure secretary during GFC, is Jewish.

The Goldman Sachs CEO after Henry Paulson is Lloyd Blankfein who is Jewish, after that the current CEO David M. Solomon is again Jewish. So to run Goldman Sachs you pretty much have to be Jewish.

The current treasure secretary Janet Yellen, who was also 15th chair of the Federal Reserve, is Jewish. The 14th chair of the Federal Reserve Ben Bernanke is again Jewish.

Jordan Belfort in "The Wolf of Wall Street" is, you guessed it, Jewish.

The facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg is also Jewish, so you are not going to see a lot of pro-Palestine content on facebook:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/dec/21/meta-facebook-instagram-pro-palestine-censorship-human-rights-watch-report
https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/12/21/metas-broken-promises/systemic-censorship-palestine-content-instagram-and

I think now you have a pretty good idea why the pro-Palestine student protesters are met with quite brutal police force and being arrested in thousands.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/1/us-house-passes-controversial-bill-that-expands-definition-of-anti-semitism
"US House passes controversial bill that expands definition of anti-Semitism", which means any statement against the state of Israel is now considered anti-Semitism thus against the law.

From the way that bill was passed (bi-partisan support), I think if there were a deep state in US, it would definitely be Jewish.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

And I'm not Jewish and also support that those rioters will sit a while in prison to reflect on their undemocratic behaviour, ha! ☀️

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

Well, I am Australian, not that invested on either side, so this is more entertainment for me. But I do have thoughts and opinions on what is happening, and there is nothing good on recently.

In Australia we kind of have this "We don't want to end up like Americans, do we?" attitude. That was said when John Howard enacted strong gun laws in the 90s after several mass shootings.

And more recently NSW premier said something like "Sydney is starting to look like San Fransisco with middle class homelessness" due to the recent rental vacancy crisis and rent rises, and we don't want that.

And like now I can laugh at those Americans who think street demonstrations are undemocratic.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

Highly recommended for you:
https://moviechat.org/tt4378376/Babylon-Berlin
This series shows very well, where 'harmless' street demonstrations can end up. 😢

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

Yes, that is why we need police using shot guns shooting rubber bullets at largely peaceful students, which I just watched on the news yesterday.

It was said rubber bullets of that size could cause bone fractures, they could lose an eye that way, now that is totally how democracies should work, with violent suppression of people trying to raise their voices.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

"...largely peaceful students..."

Those students aren't peaceful, open your eyes.
If you didn't just catch a rubber bullet...sorry, couldn't help to say that. ☺

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

I have seen enough.

I have read before that in US there are various ways to crush an unwanted street demonstration. One of the stories was protesters attacked police were later revealed as under-covered police officers.

There are also more recent revelations on social media that pro-Israel demonstrators shouting anti-Semitic languages during those student demonstrations, which made the whole demonstration illegal, at least enough for police to move in and arrest pro-Palestine demonstrators.

Now whose eyes are wide shut.

I don't think your guys really don't understand this, you can't all be shills, can you?

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

"I don't think your guys really don't understand this..."

Hmmm, I need to think, what that means exactly. 🤔
You don't think we don't understand.
That means, you think we understand?

However, need to leave for now.
Happy Weekend! ☀️

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

Well, happy weekend to you too.

Cheers!

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

Nearly half and half. About 47% out of state or non-affiliated.

https://youtu.be/Pp7Rkami3-c

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[–] darkpast (8119) 15 days ago

the same assholes who wanted to defund the police , then crime went up cause they listened 🤣

lets all listen to the side chanting death to america

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

You mean the American university students? They are not the Arabs. Why do you guys keep comparing students to BLM looters and Arabs.

You guys are not all shills, are you? Or is media brainwashing that easy?

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[–] Luffy (837) 15 days ago

They educate the students just enough for them to qualify as political activists in prison, but not enough to actually make them be significant. Smart thinking.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 15 days ago

Rorikon (16425) 10 hours ago by
They love cancelling free speech of people with different views they don't agree with to speak on their campuses but also complain when they're silenced. Goes both ways.

Agreed. 💯

They blew up (screamed down) lectures and special events at universities they didn't like.
They physically attacked fellow students who they viewed as Jewish.
Some weren't even Jewish, though that doesn't change anything.
If they cannot behave, measures have to help.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 15 days ago

The same was said about occupy wall street movements, I watched Obama calling them thugs.

But the same was not said about Arab spring, colour revolutions and Hong Kong riots.

Strange how the same things regarded so differently.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 15 days ago

Maybe there were double standards in the past.
That's not the point...NOW.

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[–] moviechatterer (13554) 15 days ago

They arnt "double standards" each of those protests is an entirely separate issue and to just write them off as thugs shows you have not even bothered to consider "the cause" and therefore how the hell can you have an opinion let alone broadcast it to everyone else?

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 15 days ago

moviechatterer (13409) an hour ago
They arnt "double standards" each of those protests is an entirely separate issue and to just write them off as thugs shows you have not even bothered to consider "the cause" and therefore how the hell can you have an opinion let alone broadcast it to everyone else?

Are you sure, you replied to the right person? 🤔

However...
So, you're one of those people, for whom "the cause" justifies the means.
On occasion I'll remind you, what you blurted out here.

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[–] moviechatterer (13554) 15 days ago

again, whether "the cause" justifies the means depends what "the cause" (and the means) is, that is my point.
I certainly think the Arab Spring events were justified.

Which I made because you dismissed all the things fc31 listed as 'double standards' .
actually maybe i misunderstood what your double standards reply meant.

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

You didn't only misunderstand the double standards. ☻
Apparently you misunderstand what Free Speech means.

Therefore YOU feel entitled to decide, about what people are allowed to "broadcast" their opinions about.
And of course YOU decide which cause justifies the means. 😎
https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1344784152580_1059406.png

This thread is not about "Occupy", "Arab spring", "Colour revolutions" and not about the brave "Hong Kong" students who fought and died for freedom and democracy.
Maybe you can leastwise understand THAT.

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[–] moviechatterer (13554) 14 days ago

well , forgive my apparently feeble English comprehension and parsing skills but when this exchange happened -

fc31:
The same was said about occupy wall street movements, I watched Obama calling them thugs.
But the same was not said about Arab spring, colour revolutions and Hong Kong riots.
Strange how the same things regarded so differently.

[–] TimeTunnel (4668) a day ago
Maybe there were double standards in the past.
That's not the point...NOW.

you calling the different reactions to the different things "double standards" shows that
1) you dont see the difference between them
2) we *are* now talking about those things - or at least i am because I'm referring to your take on those things ( the "double standards" )

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

Blabla to distract from your dubious points of view.
Bye. 👋

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[–] BKB (6434) 15 days ago

None of these students have a "Cause".. They just want to get on social media and or the News with many of them not even knowing why or what they're protesting about

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[–] Porsche911 (2630) 14 days ago

https://x.com/kahlissee/status/1786287326101999968?s=46

Imagine, America is doing this to its own citizens, just so Israel can continue murdering children....

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 14 days ago

Imagine, the Porsche goes into the scrap press. 🏎️💩 😬

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[–] fc31 (4660) 14 days ago

The video he showed was actually quite tame, but it did show rubber bullets were being fired by police.

And clearly it is not fake, because I saw the same on the US mainstream news.

This is from a Hongkonger, showed more police rough handling during arrests, and comparison with Hong Kong riots: https://twitter.com/NuryVittachi/status/1786316086134354028

This is from CGTN, which is a Chinese news outlet, surprisingly more objective and informative than other news outlets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVw3gcy1oLY

It looked like at least in LA the police won.

The Russian media outlet reporting of the event is a lot more aggressive in tune: https://sputnikglobe.com/20240502/us-senator-calls-for-palestinian-protesters-to-be-added-to-terrorist-no-fly-lists-1118220031.html

It was not even in the headlines of our state broadcaster ABC news (not the American ABC news), you can only find it if you try to browse the 'world news' section and there was only a mention: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-05-03/24-hours-in-us-america-weekly-wrap-jade-macmillan/103798930

You have to use search function to find anything related to the protest on the Sydney morning herald, which is a more popular corporate media outlet in Australia. But it looks like we are more civilised: https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/part-of-who-we-are-why-sydney-uni-vice-chancellor-allows-protest-camp-to-stay-20240430-p5fnpk.html

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

That was pretty tame for CGTN, they're usually very pro-China nationalist news. I guess it may be a bit different from actual CGTN instead of CGTN America.

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[–] Porsche911 (2630) 13 days ago

You don’t like those cars huh?

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[–] TimeTunnel (4769) 13 days ago

The Porsche is one of our best products.
I love cars in general.

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[–] Toomer (26) 14 days ago

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[–] Rorikon (16504) 13 days ago

Blame the campuses that requested them. They only came due to that when it started to become unlawful. Also, it's vastly different compared to authoritative nations that do this. In authoritative nations they use real bullets and not CS gas/beanbags to disperse the crowd.

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[–] fc31 (4660) 13 days ago

In authoritative nations they use real bullets and not CS gas/beanbags to disperse the crowd.

Don't try to trivialise what US government is doing to the protesters.

Now you sound like a government owned propagandist from the cold war era.

If you are going to say something like that at least show some evidence.

Do you really think colour revolutions would have been successful if they did that?

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